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Events & Cruises => Upcoming Events & Cruises => Topic started by: rich67vw on March 17, 2019, 07:04:06 pm
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Jack and I stopped by Nic?s today to assess his car. After a little coaxing, the car fired up and sounds great especially for sitting six months. I checked the electrical and we took it for a test ride
It rode great and was very peppy Most electrical operated except for horn and backup lights. No oil leaks anywhere. Most tins and seals in place. Jack checked for trans mount play and thinks the chitter chatter isn?t the front trans mount but the Bowden tube. Couple of spacers there should put a proper bend
I think this is what needs to get done:
Relocate fuel filter to under car near tranny. Nic has a new fangled bracket that mounts to the tranny
Lube all pivot points
There?s some spaghetti wiring including some kind of anti theft device under the trunk hood. Def some wire cleanup needed.
Oil change
The wiring for the backup lights and license plate light needs either some shrink tube installed or just replaced.
The convertible rear windows are not attached. The holding brackets are broken.
Carb accelerator pump diaphragm prob stuck or ripped. It sat for six months so who knows.
Brakes worked fine. Suspension seemed fine.
Overall the car ran great, so with a few minor things, it will be perfect.
I?ll leave it to Nic when to chose a date when folks can get together
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Good job Muggy... !hug
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Hey Rich- nice job. Did you write up a shopping list for the parts that he needs to get? then we can get right on it
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Rich and Jack did a great job! Rich and I did make a list of parts and accessories for me to pickup. I'll order them and I'll update when I receive them.
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Chef John, yep Nic has the list. He is very organized and keeps track of stuff on a very detailed spreadsheet.
I?d like to think this should be some easy fixes as long as we have some able bodied healthy youngins show up.
It?s a great little car and I hope Nic has years of fun with it.
Nic did mention that the car sometimes pops out of first. We can take a look at the common things to check like the coupler under the back seat inspection plate and also the stop plate under the shifter to see if there?s an easy fix hoping it?s not just worn out tranny parts like teeth or the hockey stick. Didn?t pop out when we test drove it though.
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Its a weird thing because if you just let up off the gas, the car shutters. It happens when its shifting or not shifting. It pops out of gear usually when its stopped and going into first. I have to almost ride the clutch out for a long time so it doesn't pop out. Way longer than it should. It freaks me out when I have to make a turn in front of on coming traffic that it doesnt pop out.
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Great Job, Muggy and Jack.
Glad to see Nic's getting things together.
Please keep in mind that we need to go through the events coordinator for the scheduling of all AirRaids and Overhaulins.
We are doing this so that everyone can be notified (ie. get to attend) and arrangements can be made with the owners and in the case of overhaulins with Shawn for availability.
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should just be a clutch adjustment. the poping could be an adjustment of the shifter also. Remember, think simple first.
Cant wait to be wrenching on someone elses! Keep me posted on the date and I'll get it put up right away
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Awesome. Thanks John!
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Saturday April 13th 9am
it looks like everything is lining up for this one! Mug man and Mr. Jack have done the research, Nick has ordered and received the parts, so it looks like it is a go.
get together with a bunch of the members and lend a wrench to Nicks ride.
9 am till we are done. Should go smooth.
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Wonderful!
Just need an address Nick...
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I will be attending this Air Raid to help Nic with his bug. I encourage anyone interested in hands on experience to join us.
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What year is Nic's Beetle?
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What year is Nic's Beetle?
It's a 68 convertible
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I'll be there to cheer all you guys on! jumping smiley
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I'll be there to cheer all you guys on! jumping smiley
bouncy- bouncy- bouncy- bouncy-
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I'll be there
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It's a 68 convertible
Nick,
Apparently the 68's had some electrical changes mid model year. would you mind posting your vin? I've been checking out wiring diagrams (because of the mention of "wiring spaghetti") just in case, and there are differences.
... if you don't want to list it publicly just send me an email or PM.
Thanks.
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I will bring my 1966 -1969 bentley
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I will bring my 1966 -1969 bentley
\LIKE=
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He's got some goofy lojack thing bypassed into the ignition wire. We just have to clean up that slop under the front hood, no biggie.....
It was so freaking cold that day, so we didn't have that much time to dig deeper. I'm going over Friday am to check everything as its supposed to be like 60 degrees idea\
Anybody got a nice set of drive up ramps? I sold my Rhino car ramps in my big vw car and tool purge last year...
Some of the things we want to address:
Team1 - electrical front trunk cleanup, then engine compartment wire cleanup-
Team2 - under car - fuel filter mount, check Bowden tube, adjust clutch etc.
Team3 - inside car- replace coupler, reinstall new back quarter windows..
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how well is your garage equipped? do you have jack stands and a decent jack?
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Any specific tool we need or special supplies shrink butt connection
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When I look up the VIN on the Samba website, it lists as April of 68. Because it's so close to the cut-off month, I requested a birth certificate from VW. The build date is May 23, 1968. I read somewhere that the ignition wiring should not be fused. I think someone along the way did wire it to the fuse.
John, I wish I had a garage. The way that my house is constructed, I cant even build a car port. But I digress. I have a moderately equipped toolbox. My dad was a mechanic and I have his tools. It's a mixture of metric and standard. I may have some specialty tools because he fixed foreign cars. I do have floor jacks and a small hydraulic jack. I think Rich is bringing his though.
Here's a little background on the car. I bought it in 2017. It's a California car. The previous owner bought it with the intention of converting it to a class 11. Why you would convert a convertible into a class 11 is another story. But he realized after he bought it that its a swing axle and not IRS like he wanted. The car is pretty much stock. It does have a replaced single port engine. Jack and Rich think that it maybe 1600. The convertible top mechanism is in working order without any issues. The rear quarter window is an issue. The regulator/frame broke off the mount that is attached inside the body. Because the regulator is chrome, and the mount is brass, there isnt a way to weld them together. I have a replacement set of regulators and new lift channels. The lift channels were rusted out. I also have new rubber seals to go with it. The transmission seems to have a bad mount or bowden tube may need to be adjusted. Maybe even both?! It pops out of 1st gear sometimes. Mostly when going from a stop. The car will jerk when you let up on the gas. Its nerve wrecking to drive when you have to make a left hand turn into oncoming traffic. You hope it doesnt pop out of gear.
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how well is your garage equipped? do you have jack stands and a decent jack?
I've got stands and a good jack. I'm going over Friday am to jack it up so we don't waste time doing that on Saturday. This way we can spend time doing the important stuff, like BS-ing about meaningless drive. lol
Oh, wait, a "decent Jack"? you mean Jack can't come over in his speedo?
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The only speedo I want to see is the one in the Beetle's dashboard.
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Any specific tool we need or special supplies shrink butt connection
Dave, Im bringing my heat gun. I believe Nick got some shrink tubing. If ya have some, feel free to bring it along with some auto wire and a few connectors. I don't know if he's got a good crimper/stripper.Much thanks!
Our biggest need is for young guys that aren't broken down old farts that can't get through the day without a bottle of Advil. lol
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Sounds good I'll bring my electrical stuff I got this new shrink wrap with low temp solder in it you shrink and solder all at the same time its amazing
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Our biggest need is for young guys that aren't broken down old farts that can't get through the day without a bottle of Advil. lol
OK, I will show up, see you at 9am
I may have to leave shortly after lunch tho, as plans stand now - we'll see
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I was planning to bring a lot of my low voltage electrical stuff too. There should be plenty of stuff on hand... except of course for that one 14 cent item that none of us happen to have...
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Thanks guys. I really appreciate all the help!
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Sounds good I'll bring my electrical stuff I got this new shrink wrap with low temp solder in it you shrink and solder all at the same time its amazing
damn, that?s a great idea somebody came up with!!
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Anyone have a pop up tent in case of rain?
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Anyone have a pop up tent in case of rain?
I have a tent we could use. It's calling for some rain in the morning. It won't be heavy or last long.
Rich: Maybe we can setup the tent on Friday?
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yep, no prob....
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Anyone have a pop up tent in case of rain?
If I remember correctly, rain and Matt don't mix well =stirpot- 8rofl=
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Well.... \rain..... dont like my cars getting wet...
Especially when they're not tarred! -
Hey, I have an extra tar can I can bring to Nicks! devil)-
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Im sorry gentlemen but my Dad went into the hospital yesterday so I will have to go up to Long Island today.I wont be able to make it
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I’m sorry to hear. No worries about the air raid John. Family is first. I hope your dad feels better soon.
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Hoping to stop by after my gig, I?ll text Nick when I?m back in Pitman.
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Dads out of the hospital- I?ll see you in the morning
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Hot damn Beet is coming!!!! I?m gonna hear some tunes too!!
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Awesome! I?m glad you two can make it. See you then!
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I want to thank everyone that took the time to come out to the air raid. You guys are truly the best! I couldn?t have done what all of you did. I am so gracious and I appreciate all of your help from the bottom of my heart..thank you!
I?m glad that the weather cleared up in the morning. We had a great day! You guys had the trans mount out and the new one installed in 1 hour tops! I?m glad that the rats nest of wiring and that dumb Viper box is out. Back to stock wiring. Awesome! There were so many little and not so little things but I?m happy they?re like new again. Like any vintage VW, sometimes you won?t find a problem until you touch it. No exception here. But I have a list and I?m ready!
Seriously, you guys are the best! Thank you!!
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Summary:
I'd like to first apologize for the lack of food and drinks. You would have thought these two would have been prepared =stirpot-
The good:
Front tranny mount replaced
Bowden tube replaced
oil changed
fuel filter relocated
sun visors replaced
rear trans coupler replaced
rear seat belts replaced
front wiring mess cleaned up
reverse light wiring replaced and cleaned up
front turn signal lights rewired correctly
rear lights all cleaned up with bulbs replaced
Greg stuck to his diet while watching me stuff donuts down my piehole ^banana=
The bad:
The clutch cable is all jackwagened up and needs replacement because the shifter now gets jammed in reverse and is locked there. Really not good if you want to drive forward. 8rofl=
Brake light wiring needs to be corrected, replace brake light switches, steering dampner bad, so tanks gotta come out to make life easier and probably brakes bled or maybe even flush and refill brake fluid. Replace fuel line up there too ^banana=
Rear shocks suck and needs to be replaced
Axle boots are leaking
Rear quarter windows need all new seals. Celly has them all out but the vendor screwed nick by not including all the right seals, the convertible is covered now. but kinda opened to the rain
The worst news of all, Jack did not show up. =stirpot- 8rofl=
I'll try to work with Nick to get parts ordered and to go over and drain and remove the tank before:
NICKS AIR RAID 2.0- THE SEQUEL
Ill leave it to Nick to schedule that. It would be nice for him to actually drive the car to the picnic skid))
Healthy young bloods are always welcome to show up since most of us need Advil today 8rofl=
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Hey Rich- two things
When we took the pedal assembly apart as well as the Bowden tube, the cable seemed brand new. How is it not?
We were having real issues with th pedal assembly going back in. Did Joe ever get it?
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The clutch cable could be wrong for the car when we took it at apart it was at the end of adjustment and it already had a nut in front of the wing nut
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The clutch cable for his car should fit anything from a 62-71. Only if it's the correct one. Someone might have put in whatever cable they had
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Clutch cable length
62-71 2260mm
72-79 2268mm
73- and up super 2281mm
Not sure how accurate this is I just pulled off the internet
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At the end of the day, literally and figuratively, we figured that what's in there is actually a cable for a super. That would explain the new cable and the lack of adjustment available. It'll have to be switched out again and measured to be sure. That small difference in length makes all the difference. Credit to Yucel for this.
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At the end of the day, literally and figuratively, we figured that what's in there is actually a cable for a super. That would explain the new cable and the lack of adjustment available. It'll have to be switched out again and measured to be sure. That small difference in length makes all the difference. Credit to Yucel for this.
Matt and John thoroughly enjoyed removing the pedal assembly and probably really look forward to doing it again -vomit\
I found a 2260mm in Nicks stash later so we do have the right one for the car
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Oh yea, that was a blast removing and replacing the brake assembly, John had most of the fun with it though. Putting it back in was a real bear... John, I, Joe and Ralph all worked on it - seemed like an hour mostly trying to get the front bolt in, Ralph worked on it the least amount of time as he was able to get the front bolt in with seemingly no prob! asttound. His approach from the passenger side did the trick, or Ralph as a latent front-bolt-pedal-assembly talent he never knew about.
I don't think it was the cable, nor it's length which is affecting shifting; what came to my mind was the shifter coupling.... - perhaps something happened there - while being replaced.
Many thanks to the amazing hostess!! Incredible! The amount, and varying food and drinks offered was outstanding! Thank you! If I did not have to leave, I was thinking I could maybe stay there for dinner.
I guess the car got started? I know there was that issue when I left.
Great time with everyone!
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Hmmm, good thought on the coupler Matt! Now that I'm thinking about it, I remember on my Bugs I removed the shifter at some point to tighten the coupler bolt or seat it on the rod correctly. I don't think we did that. We'll have to check that
Yep, car got started and runs fine! The healthy young bloods Celly and Ant H who could actually go under the car and then get up without a winch determined that it always helps to have the wire to the starter solenoid attached as opposed to just laying there blowing in the wind 8rofl=
The car runs and sounds great, its just moving that is difficult - think Jack in his recliner right about now =stirpot-
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Hey Muggy, put positive battery cable and firewall grommet on the parts list.
I'm guessing the floor plate for the shifter was probably adjusted to compensate for the old sloppy coupler.
Now that the coupler has been replaced and everything is tight, the floor plate probably needs to be adjusted. I had to do the same thing in my bus.
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I think overall it went well. A lot of time was spent troubleshooting. Which is ok because now we know what the issues are. We just have to install or fix the bad pieces. If I wouldve known that not all window seals werent sent, I definitely wouldnt have touched the rear glass. But I?ll continue to work with DonutMan...er...I mean MugMan to get the parts and pull the tank.
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Gotcha Anthony! On the list!
Hey Muggy, put positive battery cable and firewall grommet on the parts list.
I'm guessing the floor plate for the shifter was probably adjusted to compensate for the old sloppy coupler.
Now that the coupler has been replaced and everything is tight, the floor plate probably needs to be adjusted. I had to do the same thing in my bus.
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\Muggy Hey mug man, next air raid I?ll make sure I take your donut order before I head over to Deluxe.
f(bug- Thank you to everyone who came and helped with Nick?s car, to my co-hostess Michelle who made sure no one went thirsty, and an extra special thank you for those who stayed late.
Lessons learned from my first air raid : 1) we have an amazing talented and selfless group of people in our club, 2) keep more water outside, 3) make sure to put up the tent for the next air raid, and 4) skip the eggs, bacon, and hashbrowns, because people really do only want the donuts and the bagels =hungry especially \Muggy Mugman Rich.
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\Muggy Hey mug man, next air raid I?ll make sure I take your donut order before I head over to Deluxe.
f(bug- Thank you to everyone who came and helped with Nick?s car, to my co-hostess Michelle who made sure no one went thirsty, and an extra special thank you for those who stayed late.
Lessons learned from my first air raid : 1) we have an amazing talented and selfless group of people in our club, 2) keep more water outside, 3) make sure to put up the tent for the next air raid, and 4) skip the eggs, bacon, and hashbrowns, because people really do only want the donuts and the bagels =hungry especially \Muggy Mugman Rich.
Nickswife,- i'm damn sure that there has never been a donut made that I didn't eat! Now, if you'll excuse me, I must go to CVS to buy another bottle of Advil -rofl\
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Hey pedal assembly removal/reinstall guys,
Any chance you all remember if the brake pedal stop properly engaged the master? I'm starting the parts list and I'm ordering brake switches, boots and wire plugs. I'm just not sure if we need them. Did the pedal return back to its normal position? if not, I'll get a return spring to replace the one that was there. I thought Nick said the brake lights worked before we touched his car. I should have checked this while Celly was fandango-ing with the brake light switches under the car. My priority then was 2 Boston cream donuts -rofl\
Should I really care since its nicks money? -MONEY\ 8rofl=
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Hey pedal assembly removal/reinstall guys,
Any chance you all remember if the brake pedal stop properly engaged the master? I'm starting the parts list and I'm ordering brake switches, boots and wire plugs.
My priority then was 2 Boston cream donuts -rofl\
LOL! I understand about the doughnut priority!!...
As for the brake pedal assembly, I centered the brake pushrod into the master cylinder at an earlier point, but believe it was still positioned like that when Ralph and I left it. I mentioned a adjustment was necessary as the pushrod felt a little far from the pushrod to the recess in the brake master cylinder piston. It should just be a hair movement like 1mm before the pushrod contact the cup recess in the MS. Some people adjust the clevis screw, others do the brake stop. With the brake stop being undone and replaced, I know it is probably out of proper position as opposed to the clevis screw.
When I left, I know Joe was in the car trying to start it. Perhaps he has a feel for how the brakes/pedal were.
If brake lights are the issue, perhaps it is part of the wiring issue (?) Need to trace the circuit.. possibly no voltage associated with the MS (?)
Matt
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LOL! I understand about the doughnut priority!!...
As for the brake pedal assembly, I centered the brake pushrod into the master cylinder at an earlier point, but believe it was still positioned like that when Ralph and I left it. I mentioned a adjustment was necessary as the pushrod felt a little far from the pushrod to the recess in the brake master cylinder piston. It should just be a hair movement like 1mm before the pushrod contact the cup recess in the MS. Some people adjust the clevis screw, others do the brake stop. With the brake stop being undone and replaced, I know it is probably out of proper position as opposed to the clevis screw.
When I left, I know Joe was in the car trying to start it. Perhaps he has a feel for how the brakes/pedal were.
If brake lights are the issue, perhaps it is part of the wiring issue (?) Need to trace the circuit.. possibly no voltage associated with the MS (?)
Matt
Thanks Matt- Celly got the lights going basically bypassing the switches, with nick pressing on the pedal, never occurring to us that maybe the pedal isn't engaging. whistll=-
yeah, wiring we found in the front turn signal assemblies was completely backwards. there's a second jumble of taped up spaghetti jammed near the wiper linkage with a potentially bad relay. instead of replacing the relay, the PO sliced and diced the wiring. We are almost there on straightening it out ^banana=
Nick, can ya text Celly if they are three prong or two prong switches before you order anything...
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In order to get the clutch to engage, I added another nut to the already nut that was there. It seemed to have a nice engagement. Although there seemed to be missing a stop or adjustment as the clutch peddle came too far forward. I don't think it engaged until a 1/4 way down although it's hard to tell without driving it. Adding nuts to shim cables that are too long has worked for me in the past on a few old bugs and busses I have owned.
On dune buggies when you cut the 14 inches out of the pan (no one at that time sold shorten clutch cables) you loop the clutch cable and secure it with wire clamps. It was hard to get it just right, that's when you shim the cable with whatever you have, sockets work well. My buggy has had this clutch cable modification on it for 49 years and it's still holding up, at least the last time I checked it.
Thanks, Annmarie for being an outstanding hostess. The food was incredible. =hungry
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In order to get the clutch to engage, I added another nut to the already nut that was there. It seemed to have a nice engagement. Although there seemed to be missing a stop or adjustment as the clutch peddle came too far forward. I don't think it engaged until a 1/4 way down although it's hard to tell without driving it. Adding nuts to shim cables that are too long has worked for me in the past on a few old bugs and busses I have owned.
On dune buggies when you cut the 14 inches out of the pan (no one at that time sold shorten clutch cables) you loop the clutch cable and secure it with wire clamps. It was hard to get it just right, that's when you shim the cable with whatever you have, sockets work well. My buggy has had this clutch cable modification on it for 49 years and it's still holding up, at least the last time I checked it.
Thanks, Annmarie for being an outstanding hostess. The food was incredible. =hungry
Ok thanks, JoeT. I'm guessing the car had a Squareback cable in it- maybe that's why it was too long? who knows... Nick does have a 2260mm Beetle cable in his stash, so we will end up replacing it with that one and checking the pedal assembly for a few things... -vomit\
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Thanks, Annmarie for being an outstanding hostess. The food was incredible. =hungry
Oh yeah!! \LIKE= \LIKE=
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I just ordered the next round of parts. Fedex says itll be delivered next Monday. (4/22) MugMan/DonutMan, Celly, and I are still working out the details on the 1/4 rear window rubber seals. Whats needed, whats not, etc. But I will say you need to donate a kidney to afford them. But in my case, the joke would be on them. Haha.
Of course we're going to feed you well. It's in our nature, thats what we do. Thanks again to everyone for their help! I really appreciate it.
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Is anyone available on May 11th for a possible air raid. It?ll finish up the car so it can be drivable.
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Yes, I should be there assuming jelly donuts from Deluxe Bakery will be there....
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Will try to be there this time (now that most of the worik is done...)
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We?ll have a seat and donut with your name on it Jack!
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Mugman: of course! If you?re coming, we?ll have to supplement with Entenmann?s!! haha
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I'll be there.
9ish?
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Me too
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Will try, too early to tell yet.....
matt