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Archive => Archive board => Engine Shop => Topic started by: 3Gear on September 18, 2007, 02:51:45 pm
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Hello all, I was wondering what everyone was up to Friday after work, or over the weekend??? I am going to need a hand getting the engine back in my blu_bug . I would love to have someone with knowedge around during this process, even if they can't help with the lifting. I want to make sure all the wires are connected where they belong and probally some help with getting the carb working properly, since I rebuilt it Poof ... I can offer Beer / Soda and lunch for all who show up, even if you just want to point and laugh... 777
Thanks,
Marc
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I would love to come and help you out. I would also like to come just to learn watch and learn somemore.
But i have a friggen wedding to go to at the shore. Wouldnt be to bad but i dont know either the bride or groom. Karens co-worker is getting hitched. I am just being dragged along. If i can get out of it i will be there. Fingers crossed this may get me out of it.
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Marc, I can probably get there after 5. I'm at least good for some younger muscle =-)
Maybe you can help me figure out my headlight problem... or if you are the guy with the switches...can help me rig up my bug. =-)
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Marc,
If you need a hand sometime Saturday let me know.
The earlier the better, I can make it in the morning. Let me know if you need any tools
( DON"T TELL JACK!!!)
Bob
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Marc,
Would love to help, but unfortunately I will be in Pittsburgh Thursday to Sunday .... If for some reason you don't install the engine this weekend let me know, I can help next weekend.
-Yucel
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Sorry Marc but I think you picked a crappy weekend for everybody :icon_neutral:
I work on friday till late and I'm away this weekend. I know jack is hurtin (although he is in denial :icon_wink: )
Why not try it yourself? I've done complete pulls/overhaul and installs when the only help I had was the idiot manual. It might be different in your case, though (daily driver?)
sorry again bud.
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I would be there buddy but I'm helping (supervising, I broke a rib Sunday) Matt put a floor in his bug Sat.
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Why not try it yourself? I've done complete pulls/overhaul and installs when the only help I had was the idiot manual.
Getting the engine out of the basement is the biggest issue, I can move a transmission by myself, but an engine is another story.
I think I'll be able to get my neighbours help with getting it up the stairs and onto a floor jack, and Bob threw his hat in to help on saturday morning So I think I might be able to pull this thing off... Bob what time is good 4 U I will plan around that.
Jack sorry to hear about your rib, you need to stop that mixed martial arts on the weekends banasord
Anyone who is free is welcome to come and help / hang out
Maybe you can help me figure out my headlight problem... or if you are the guy with the switches...can help me rig up my bug. =-)
I have planes on saturday night, but my sunday is open if want me to help you play with the lights, I must warn you I am not an expert like some of the members, but I am fairly good with logic....
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Marc,
9 am would be good. I'm going to start tearing into my Super Beetle front end later saturday so I don't think your engine will take much time at all.
Now I can help you with the wiring & pushing it off the jack but I've got a bum shoulder so lifting it out of the basement might be a problem for me. thats what happens to us guys over 50, ask Jack! Let me know if you need anything.
Bob
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Bob,
9:00am sounds good, we should be fine with my neighbours help to cover the heavy lifting, He and I got it down there, and since the exhaust will be off coming up it will be much easier, I just won't have a easy to grab exhaust pipe to carry my end... I'll have coffee and doughnuts at the ready P#3
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I'll have coffee and doughnuts at the ready
ALL RIGHT !!!!!!!!! 196 plndonut
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Sorry Matt, I'm going to Marcs for 196 & donut donut then I'll come back and help you.
Or if you bring something better, do I hear 196 & Breakfest Sandwich :icon_tongue: then I'll stay home
Just kidding buddy.
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Hey here is a map to my place for tomorrow for anyone who is coming, 9:00am is the start time we are shooting for, I should have the engine out of the basement and on to a floorjack. My cell is 610-329-4610. Thanks :-)
(http://www.sjvwc.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/mapp.jpg)
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When is mischief night again?
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I don't know what mischief night has to do with anything, but I sure liked the advatar with the picture of the yellow bug MUCH better then the one you have now.
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=-/ you didn't get the joke, because we have his address, we can go egg his house as a club event =-)
What's wrong with eatting Beetles?
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When is mischief night again?
LoL Did I forget to mention that I am a bit of a computer geek, and I have a IP security system with live feed to a recording server off site. It also works in low light, and is motiton activated, housed in a DOD bomb proof enclosure??
I sometimes forget to mention little details...
T1
Marc :icon_jokercolor:
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Yay someone got it... I feel so young =-(
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What happened with the engine install???? Hope everything went well Marc, I really wish I could have been there.
Sooo.... give me some details or I'm coming over there on Goosey night (mischief night?? that is so south jersey T1 )
Security system or not I can throw a mean toilet paper. :icon_tongue:
-Yucel stoned#
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Hey, Despite the rain on saturday Bob and I got the motor in P#3 and the valves adjusted. However, it seems that my starter decidedto die on me m-d So I'll be getting on this week and seeing how that goes...
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Marc,
thanks for the plndonut 196
It was fun but too bad the starter crapped out, I was ready to hear that puppy make some music!!
I forgot Saturday but before you pull the starter try shunting across the terminals with a screwdriver or something with an insulated handle. Make sure the car is out of gear and in neutral. You can bypass the solenoid this way but be warned lots of sparks! If you have a remote start switch you can just hook that up and give it a try. This way you will know if the starter is fried or if it turns over then start looking for something else.
Bob
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Ive got a couple of starters sitting in my shop, dunno the condition but I could be inspired to go test one if ya need. I know one is a 6v, cant remember if the other is 12 or not but I think it is. If its just your solenoid you could just take one off one of these, or try the whole starter if you need it.
Im in Mullica Hill if you're nearby.
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Jim,
Hes going to need a 12V starter.
Yo Marc, watta ya think??
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Jim,
Thanks!!, but I picked one up at my local auto zone for $39.99 +15 core ;D :icon_cheers: I was s h o c k e d at the low price!!! So, I got it installed this afternoon :icon_cheers: And I realized when I was reconnecting the wires, that the old one is probably good, since I was putting the wire on the single bottom terminal not on the top on Saturday... stoned# :wallbash: So I got it to turn over and run for a few seconds, but it wont stay running, and backfires a bit, but could that be from the starting fluid??? c23 I checked and i see fuel in fuel filter. I'm not really sure what to do shocked S@Sm Any suggestions??
thanks :icon_geek:
Marc
PS here is a photo of the engine back in the car...
(http://www.sjvwc.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/engine~0.JPG)
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My car use to backfire...I messed with the timing and it cleared it up a bit. Cause use an experienced person's eye and ear. I was adjusting the timing and it when BAM!! So I put it back where it was, figured it was Bridgette telling me to leave her alone. Did you adjusting the timing? Is that a dent in the new muffler already?!?!!! It looks good... the engine not the dent. :'(
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Marc,
I was putting the wire on the single bottom terminal not on the top on Saturday... stoned wallbash So I got it to turn over and run for a few seconds, but it wont stay running, and backfires a bit, but could that be from the starting fluid???
that sucks! but at least the starter won't be a problem. I think the old one looked pretty crusty anyway.
Check your plug wires at the distributor ( 1-4-3-2 firing order ), static time the engine and plug that vacuum leak on the carb. Check again for anything loose on the intake, you don't want any vacuum leaks. The starter fluid usually doesn't cause a back fire but just for the record look down your carb throat and hit the throttle you should see a stream of gas from the accelerator pump. If all is good it should fire right up with no starter fluid. If you can get it running and the timing is close try to adjust the carb for the best speed. You will have to mess with the idle to keep it running but it should smooth out.
The picture looks great!
I'm sure everybody will jump in with some more ideas.. ( where are ya Jack!! )
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Cant help with the technical aspect but the engine looks great.
I want one Jt3
What size is it? And how many horsepower??
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Check your plug wires at the distributor ( 1-4-3-2 firing order ), static time the engine and plug that vacuum leak on the carb.
Here is how the wires are on the dist (http://www.sjvwc.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/dist.jpg)
The backfire blew the screws I had in my vacuum lines, so I need to do all of them again....
Yep that Old starter was crusty, fo 39 bucks it was a no brainer.
the engine looks great.
What size is it? And how many horsepower??
THANKS! ;D It's a 1600 DP, I do not know the HP, but it is stock, other than the extractor exhaust.
Is that a dent in the new muffler already?!?!!! It looks good... the engine not the dent. :'(
LoL The exhaust is old, I just have mad spray painting / sanding skillz! P#3 And THANKS :icon_cheers:
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Doh, that's off. As Bob said, should be 1 - 4 - 3 - 2 I *think* in a clockwise direction but wait for someone else to chime in as Im sitting at work without any reference materials in front of me and I suffer from CRS (Cant remember stuff)
Easy fix though :) And the car is lookin sweet!
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Easy fix though :) And the car is lookin sweet!
I'll swap the wires this afternoon!!!
Thanks, well, the engine is looking sweet, the rest is looking like a dirty pirate whore...
Sitting all summer brought on some rust and general need of a good cleaning, which is next on the list after it gets running.... I1t
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Marc,
Thats it!
it should fire like this:
Front of car
3 1
4 2
Back of car
this is why they refer to that type of engine as a "Boxer" picture each plug firing its like a couple of fighters taking a swing at each other. Stupid you bet but hey it wasn't my idea. If you switched a couple of wires around it gonna backfire and good!
switch em back and let us know how it works out.
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Whats wrong with a dirty pirate whore ???
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All this info is posted on our site.
(http://sjvwc.net/Dist.JPG)
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Now if the dist. drive gear is not instaulled right the diagram could be 1 or as much as 2 wires off.
If that is the case you could have adjusted the valves wrong also.
You should take out #1 plug and take the valve cover off Bring #1 up to TDC and check the valves and where the wires are on the cap and adjust wires as needed.
According to your diagram they are wrong.
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Thanks Jack and Bob, I need to move some wires and I will be all set, The #1 Plug wire is where the notch in the dist. is. So from my diagram I have to move 4 to 2, 2 to 3 and 3 to 4 c23 c23 f+t
So it will now look like this:
(http://www.sjvwc.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/distb2.jpg)
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Whats wrong with a dirty pirate whore
:icon_pirat: ARGGGGGGGGGGG. Whats wrong with ye wenches ??
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Thanks Jack and Bob, I need to move some wires and I will be all set, The #1 Plug wire is where the notch in the dist. is. So from my diagram I have to move 4 to 2, 2 to 3 and 3 to 4
So it will now look like this:
Enough of this pirate stuff...... :icon_pirat:
Marc,
If you remember we used a screwdriver in the spark plug hole and the notch on the dizzy to verify that #1 was at TDC. I think your distributor is off a few teeth but not enought to throw the firing order out. If you look at Jacks diagram its showing the 1 4 3 2 firing order. I'd rearrange the wires and give it another shot. Be sure that you are following the correct rotation of the distributor or its going to get confusing fast!
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Ok, I agree Bob, it is a might confusing if I let it be... I know that #1 is at the notch, IF I rotate my image 90 degrees clockwise it all matches.... s#r I1t I just want to drive&&
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Arggggh matey!
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If this keeps going on, I'm going to heave ho!
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Ok, I got the firing order correct, a light spray of starting fluid and she roared to life, only to sputter and die a few seconds later. c23 I am getting fuel to the carb, but it is not getting to the engine... &m& Well, I adjusted the carb up and down the scale and no dice... I fear that I will need to take the carb apart again...
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Look for air leaks.
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I am getting fuel to the carb, but it is not getting to the engine...
Check the float, also can you see gas coming out the accelerator pump nozzle ? ( the brass squirter in the middle of the carb opening ) check this with the engine not running!
Are you getting a click from the cut off valve and is it hooked up ?
Look for air leaks.
What he said !!!!
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What should I start the bypass air screw and the Volume control screw at??? since I did not mark them when I rebuilt the carb. stoned# Matt posted his great tutorial after I had done mine... :icon_geek:
Check the float, also can you see gas coming out the accelerator pump nozzle ? ( the brass squirter in the middle of the carb opening ) check this with the engine not running!
I do not see gas comming out of the acc pump... Do I need to take the top of the carb off to check the float? and what am I checking for?? to see if it is bound up on it's track???
Are you getting a click from the cut off valve and is it hooked up ?
It is hooked up, but I have not checked for the click but I will...
Look for air leaks.
I checked all my bolts and they are tight.
Thanks!!!
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What should I start the bypass air screw and the Volume control screw at??? since I did not mark them when I rebuilt the carb. stoned# Matt posted his great tutorial after I had done mine... :icon_geek:
I do not see gas comming out of the acc pump... Do I need to take the top of the carb off to check the float? and what am I checking for?? to see if it is bound up on it's track???
It is hooked up, but I have not checked for the click but I will...
I checked all my bolts and they are tight.
Thanks!!!
Yea, Marc, it maight be good to check the tutorial, it's not completely done, but done enough for you
In there shows how to check the needle valve, and assembly of the float.
take the top off the carb and see if you have gas in the bowl.
Might want to run through the tutorial to make sure you did not forget to put something in like the jet
do you have the pump hoses hooked up backwards?
If you have fuel in the carb bowl, then you are ok, or you can disconnect the tube that goes from the pump to the carb, turn the engine by hand and see if you have gas coming out
I can't remember what the generic starting point is for the bypass air screw and the Volume control screw - been so long..maybe 3 turns out each? I have that info at home. If you got a rebuild kit with instructions it will say it in there in all that small print
i will have to put those defaults in the carb tutorial.
The # of turns shown int the tutorial are for a 1776 engine so they will be way diff, especially the big screw guy. Myabe halve his turns, and keep the # of turns the ssame for the small screw as shown on a paper towel in the tutorial - jsut some thoughts. It should at least get it running
M
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question 1
do you have fuel in the carb bowl?
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do you have fuel in the carb bowl?
Don't know yet, I have not taken the top of the carb off... I do know that the fuel pump is working, and gas is getting past the pump. But as for what is going on in the carb I do not know that is where the system breaks down... I do know I did not miss any parts, I was rather anal about that since it was my first one...
Might want to run through the tutorial to make sure you did not forget to put something in like the jet
LoL already did that last night, good job by the way...
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Marc,
I do not see gas comming out of the acc pump... Do I need to take the top of the carb off to check the float?
yes, but check the fuel pump first. Like Matt said, if theres no fuel no fire! Assuming you are getting gas from the pump then I'd check the float & needle valve, Pull the top of the carb and see whats in the fuel bowl. Also if theres fuel and the accelerator pump isn't working I'd check the brass nozzle to see if its clear and also the diaphram and spring under the diaphram.
2CENTS <- for what its worth!
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There is also a small hole in the bottom of the bowl, which feeds into the accel pump. if this is clogged, that needs to be cleaning out.
Also there is a one way ball check valve thing going to and away from the accel pump. Sometimes these balls get stuck.
I think I mentioned that in the carb tutorial
I will be finishing up that tutorial soon as putting back my floor pan and car insides is almost done
Sprayed the seam sealer tonight with paint, and sealed the inside part of the pan to the body...
still a bit more to do...........
Good luck Marc.
again, as we already beat you up about it, f+t check that there is fuel in the bowl... that will tell you the condition of your needle valve. For the float, just see if it can flop up and down readily ( do this when the bowl is empty) make sure your float DOES NOT have any fuel in it.
Tar Man Matt
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Tar Man Matt
LoL LoL LoL LoL
Matt you'll never live that one down!!
What kind of seam sealer are you using ? I've got a mess with the Corvair. The seam sealer was so old & brittle I managed to remove it with a vacuum cleaner! When I splice in the new floors I'm going to have to replace all of it.
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LoL LoL LoL LoL
Matt you'll never live that one down!!
What kind of seam sealer are you using ? I've got a mess with the Corvair. The seam sealer was so old & brittle I managed to remove it with a vacuum cleaner! When I splice in the new floors I'm going to have to replace all of it.
Yeah, I know, but I think Jack already pasted me with that name -
I used what Jack recommended and what was recomended by others, it is called seam sealer by 3M
It is expensive stuff.
Sometimes I wonder if things like that are better than a good caulk. For instance, how about an outside caulk for the house that will not shrink or crack, remain semi-flexible and "gaurenteed" to last 50 years?
However, I still went with the 3M seam sealer. Order it online, it is much cheaper.
For the inside of my car, I could not convince myself that an outside all weather housing calk would not do. 100% silicone. Waterproof. Flexible, 25 year warranty ....blah, blah, blah. The inside of my car will not be like the exterior of a house.
Of course 3M seam sealer tube recomends 3M urethane....probably more d-s d-s - I went with the caulk for the inside of the car for the pan..........
Matt
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Tar Man, for the inside of the car you should drill holes in the lowest part of the pan so the water runs out. I1t
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Oops totally missed this post. I think my dad is going to give me a hand. Father and son kinda project. If he can't help me I'll definantly invite you and the boys/girl over to help me =-)
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Tar Man, for the inside of the car you should drill holes in the lowest part of the pan so the water runs out. I1t
Or how about just keeping water out of the car in general ???
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Or how about just keeping water out of the car in general ???
That's my plan.
Also, the pan on the inside of the car, had about 3 coats of rustbullet ( like por15) and about 5 coats of enamel.
I'm beleiving water wont touch it.
I also sealed the edges up very well............
TM
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Man, how heavy is that car?
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Well, It's much lighter now, one pan no longer has a 1/2" of tar on it.
Yea it was about that thick....
...............hey good cheap sound and temp insulation!
Tar Man