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VW Lounge => General Forum => Topic started by: matt on April 10, 2008, 09:09:41 pm
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I have never seen this, I got this from Lupe M., who has been helping me with my secret vw project. He lives in Texas
I think this is so cool.
I asked him if this was some sort of stock item and he replied
" As far as the engine it is an oldspeed Tri-Power from the 50's. The center carb runs the majority of the engine, starting, normal driving, etc; but, it leans out at about 1800 rpm. The 2 side carbs run at higher rpm's and work like vacuum secondaries. It runs pretty good and is really different at car shows.
Lupe"
(http://www.sjvwc.net/coppermine/albums/userpics/lupes_engine.jpg)
He later gave me a youtube link,
Lupe's engine running (http://youtube.com/watch?v=qVJer-4KbMs)
Boy, does that sound nice! - very smooth. He has this on a pristine 57 vert!
Hope you enjoy!
Matt
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s#r $61$
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s#r That is sweet (love sjvwc.ico
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s#r That is sweet (love sjvwc.ico
Took the words right out of my mouth....very very cool.
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Very cool but weird!
I wonder how the jetting works, if the center carb is good to about 1800 rpm then does it have a main jet? ( that usually starts to kick in around 2000 rpm ) do the two side carbs have idle jets?? Corvair corsas used something like this, 4 carbs 2 primarys and 2 secondarys. The primarys were regular carbs and the secondarys were the same carbs but without idle jets. A progressive linkage allowed the secondarys to kick in at 1/2 throttle, worked very well and had power all through the rpm range.
Ok Matt what the heck is the secret project?? an Okrasa 36 hp ? a Judson? a small jet engine??.... I gotta know!
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Very cool but weird!
I wonder how the jetting works, if the center carb is good to about 1800 rpm then does it have a main jet? ( that usually starts to kick in around 2000 rpm ) do the two side carbs have idle jets?? Corvair corsas used something like this, 4 carbs 2 primarys and 2 secondarys. The primarys were regular carbs and the secondarys were the same carbs but without idle jets. A progressive linkage allowed the secondarys to kick in at 1/2 throttle, worked very well and had power all through the rpm range.
Ok Matt what the heck is the secret project?? an Okrasa 36 hp ? a Judson? a small jet engine??.... I gotta know!
I'll ask him Bob, and or direct him to this site. Not sure if he could see this section of the site though. Again, looking at his utube post, that engine sure seems to run smooth. wow. & You had some good questions as I expected....
Wish it was a jet engine, cause at 5:00 am I'd zoom labout 4 ft over someones house at Mach 2 (getting that sonic boom), cause said person been riding said members 'bout him sleeping in, napping, watching tv etc while we all wo_king. I dont want to mention anyones name though - like Jack or someone. That would just would be sooo wrong................
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In that engine there, he has some fancy plumbing.
I guess that is a fuel filter sitting on top of the fuel pump?
Matt
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I guess that is a fuel filter sitting on top of the fuel pump?
looks like the old fashion glass bell & filter stone.
I almost forgot but those secondary carbs used on the corsa don't have accelerator pumps either.
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That is way cool P#3 If that set up is perfected & ever made avaible I would be willing to pay big d-s to have it. That would look soo bad a** :icon_twisted: on my Rat Rod. The VW equivalent of a 283 with 3 Rochester's & finned aluminum valve covers.
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Have you seen the utube video? seems to run very very nice.
Matt
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Looks like a tougher adjustment to make than dual carbs. =-/
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GREG, you REALLY need a new advatar. It bothers me so much I may ban it!!!!! 0085
Sorry for being off topic.
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>:( Jack you are like the cop that bust college parties. >:(
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Yea, it was kinda icky, Greg
M
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LoL, it was just a frog with my face photoshopped on it. =-)
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>:( Jack you are like the cop that bust college parties. >:(
Sorry about that and I know your creative, BUT like Matt said, icky, icky.
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This is my 1st post and I'd like to thank Matt for inviting me to join your site. First of all thanks for all the comments on my engine and you guys have a very cool site BTW. It has been a long process in building this engine. I saw an original Tri-Power back a few years ago at a swap meet and also on The Samba. It was really weird and cool at the same time and I always wanted one. Since they were so rare, even rarer than Judsons, Okrasa's etc; I knew I'd have an impossible time of locating one so after learning how they were made I decided to make my own. The center carb is a stock Solex pict with one important differance, it has a air correction jet of about 220, so it leans out at a higher rpms. The 2 side carbs are 24mm Tillotson's, they do not have accelerator pumps, do have adjustable jets, and work only on vacuum. They are controlled by a semi progressive linkage setup that includes a torsion spring that bends at lower rpm's until the tension is surpassed and then it allows the side carbs to open up.
The engine runs just like a normal 36hp, but it does have a little better top end then before. My mileage is at about 28-30 mpg so it has'nt changed much, as far as performance I can pass on the highway a little faster than before. Thanks again for all your comments, if you have any questions, let me know.
As far as Matt's super secret project... :-X :-X :-X ;D
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Hey welcome to the club Ninamashr. (You'll have to explain that one some time)
We have pictures of the motor but I wanna see pictures of the rest of the car. That looks sweet!
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Hi Nin,
Welcome to the club!
thats a very cool setup, the progressive idea isn't new but I've never seen it done on a vw air cooled engine before. A question, who made it ? and when?
It makes me wonder if something like this couldn't be used on a later engine with carb changes. I know everybody bolts on the Weber / Holly 32/36 progressives but they are such a bad choice and impossible to tune. This setup might allow for more tuning in different rpm ranges, just a thought.
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Since they were so rare, even rarer than Judsons, Okrasa's etc; I knew I'd have an impossible time of locating one so after learning how they were made I decided to make my own.
Wecome Nin. GREAT LOOKING ENGINE & CAR. Did you have photos or a diagram to go by when you made it? Very neet pluming job with the fuel tubing.
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Hey welcome to the club Ninamashr. (You'll have to explain that one some time)
We have pictures of the motor but I wanna see pictures of the rest of the car. That looks sweet!
I'll try to post up my latest pics of the vert tonight for ya.
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Wecome Nin. GREAT LOOKING ENGINE & CAR. Did you have photos or a diagram to go by when you made it? Very neet pluming job with the fuel tubing.
Hi Nin,
Welcome to the club!
thats a very cool setup, the progressive idea isn't new but I've never seen it done on a vw air cooled engine before. A question, who made it ? and when?
It makes me wonder if something like this couldn't be used on a later engine with carb changes. I know everybody bolts on the Weber / Holly 32/36 progressives but they are such a bad choice and impossible to tune. This setup might allow for more tuning in different rpm ranges, just a thought.
Thx guys, I had one person tell me a while ago that the Tri-powers were made by some company in the northeast somewhere in the late 50's to early 60's. They even made some for the later 40hp engines. Unfortunatly they could not remember what the companies name was.
I'm not too sure if these will work on any other type of engine, since so little is know about them. It is very hard to get right, especially the timing of the change over to the tillotsons. There was alot of trial and error to get it to run right.
Here is a pic of an original one that I used to make my tri-power from, the linkage is actually wrong on this pic. It's the only one picture I have ever seen... ???
(http://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/255579.jpg)
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I'm not too sure if these will work on any other type of engine, since so little is know about them.
I agree with you when it comes to VWs thats the first I've seen. Progressive linkage isn't so rare on other cars, remember the GTO, 3 x 2s with a progressive mechanical linkage. As I mentioned before Corvairs used a type of progressive on the 4 carb Corsa model. I once had a 61 T-bird that used a vacuum activated set of secondarys on a 4bbl carb. I'd think jetting could be trouble but no worse than whats out there. Its an interesting thought and thanks for the photos of your set up, just proves it can be done.
As far as Matt's super secret project...
I guess you can't give us a hint on this one! I'm hoping its not the "$50.00" rusoleum paint job on the 57' !
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Hey welcome to the club Ninamashr. (You'll have to explain that one some time)
We have pictures of the motor but I wanna see pictures of the rest of the car. That looks sweet!
Here are some more pics 6T5
(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/389876.jpg)
(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/347883.jpg)
(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/344751.jpg)
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Dude that's one very cool ride P#3 I love the trailer set up :icon_thumright: Did you fab that up yourself ???
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all I've got to say is WOW! NICE RIDE!!!
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Dude that's one very cool ride P#3 I love the trailer set up :icon_thumright: Did you fab that up yourself ???
all I've got to say is WOW! NICE RIDE!!!
Thanks for the compliments!! Yeah I fabbed it myself. Only the swivel wheel assy and the 2 hook-up arms are an original Allstate trailer. Come to think of it, i've pretty much done everything on the car from paint, upholstery, engine and top.
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Come to think of it, i've pretty much done everything on the car from paint, upholstery, engine and top.
Now I'm really impressed! Are you anyplace near So. Jersey? If so hope you can come out to one of our events with that car, I'd love to see it in person. Hey you could even bring Matt!
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I guess you can't give us a hint on this one! I'm hoping its not the "$50.00" rusoleum paint job on the 57' !
Sorry Bob, I'm paying him $20.00/month to keep quiet ( check is in the mail Lupe! )
- and no offense taken, its hard to keep track of all the cars, - but I have a 55, same as Steveo's but European model. Funny, I think his is a month older than mine.
HEY!! ..........Nope for the rustoleum, that would trash my car!, >:(
Going with Sears Exterior All Weather paint.
Mauve.
Lupe, welcome to the site, glad you made it, hope you enjoy it.
and thanks!
Matt
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Thanks for the compliments!! .............. Come to think of it, i've pretty much done everything on the car from paint, upholstery, engine and top.
Really amazing work Lupe, incredible.
Car is absolutely beautiful
Matt
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shocked
I'd roll it. :icon_thumright:
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Lupe, your car look good, but if your at a show that I'm at, don't park next to me with it.
Black Beauty will make it look bad. banasord Ask Matt. On second thought, don't ask Matt.
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Lupe, your car look good, but if your at a show that I'm at, don't park next to me with it.
Black Beauty will make it look bad. Ask Matt. On second thought, don't ask Matt.
LoL LoL LoL LoL LoL LoL LoL LoL LoL
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Lupe, your car look good, but if your at a show that I'm at, don't park next to me with it.
Black Beauty will make it look bad. banasord Ask Matt. On second thought, don't ask Matt.
Do ask!
m
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Lupe, your car look good, but if your at a show that I'm at, don't park next to me with it.
Black Beauty will make it look bad. banasord Ask Matt. On second thought, don't ask Matt.
Thanks for that great tip Jack ,any ideas that keep me from embarressing myself and my car are greatly appreciated. I will stay as far away from Black Beauty as possible. :icon_thumleft:
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Now I'm really impressed! Are you anyplace near So. Jersey? If so hope you can come out to one of our events with that car, I'd love to see it in person. Hey you could even bring Matt!
njgt, I live in Texas so, as much as i'd like to go see you guys, it would be real hard. :icon_neutral:
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Do ask!
m
OK Matt.... I'm asking! :icon_cool:
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Lupe,
Where did you get that top for your vert?
Looks really nice.
I especially like that trim - one of the beautiful things about the old verts.
I replaced my entire top, foam , window bow etc and was a little dismayed at the quality of the fit of my top. It is ok, but the sides do not come down as far as I think they should. Got everything from Chucks Convertible co here on the east coast.
When I get some free time 888 888 I'd like to replace it with something better. I heard the canvas is tough to keep clean, but my 3 fold has a canvas, does not seem to be that bad, - but then again, it is not my daily driver like my vert. THink I should stick to vinyl for it being my daily driver.
Matt
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Matt, I bought the top and headliner from CIP1, it's made by TMI. I also go a few parts from Chuck's. The foam padding I made myself. The quality and fit depends on the installation. I'm sure Chuck's makes good tops but the condition of your wood and instructions make a huge differance. Since you have a daily "salt" runner ;D I would probrably stick to a grained vinyl top. They are easier to clean than the canvas ones especially if it's black.
Here is a link on my installation...
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=260335
If you have to re-do yours let me know I can help. :icon_thumleft:
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njgt, I live in Texas so, as much as i'd like to go see you guys, it would be real hard
Lupe,
good thing you live in Texas, with the kind of incredible work you do you would have most of the VW owners in New Jersey lining up at your front door for help!
Thats an incredible car when you consider you did most of the work! I'm sure the trailer gets a workout hauling the trophies home! Good luck with it and if you ever decide to take a "little" drive north be sure to look us up.
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Matt, The quality and fit depends on the installation.
That says it all Matt, you don't know what your doing. 777
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That says it all Matt, you don't know what your doing. 777
kickButt
Sheesh, the abuse I take......
My first top which I put about 2 years before my last, fit very well, all the way around, but it had to come off as someone put a nice loooong hole in it :icon_cry:
So in replacing it, I replaced the headliner, foam, bow, window surround support and roof straps. Everything was centered perfectly, (In the 73 convert there is only one wood bow, the window surround is solid rubber under the advise of Chuck, never rots, and holds up - so far so good!)
- I followed a video that is put out by some VW convert company ( cant think of their name now) but have heard them referenced a lot in newsgroups. Looked very good
This last top had to be stretched much more than my first one, way much more, it was a fight all the way. Everything was perfectly centered, so the only thing I can think of that is using up my side space ( if it not a flaw in the top) is the foam on top, which I got from chucks. I think I did the install perfectly. Just putting on this top was a different experience than the last.
Lupe, saw your link - Nice work on the vert top!!, I love the Mohair headliner, that is great. Glad mine does not have that many wood bows!
When I'm done a lot of my other projects 888 I'm wanting to take the top off, and try another. There relavtively cheap .....
Thanks Lupe!
Matt