I’ve made the mistake of involvement with two local clubs now that claim to be open to all makes & models of foreign of domestic cars. Only to find thru the obvious actions of club hierarchy that Volkswagens in fact are not welcome to participate. The actions taken are so silly, petty & immature that I won’t even go into them. But I will single out that owners of Muscle Cars & Street Rods seem to have a definite bad attitude towards to Volkswagen & their owners. And the Chevy guys are the worst of the bunch. I went to one show in Southampton where they told me to park next to this really primo El Camino. The El Camino owner was so upset about this that he went to the show organizers and asked that he be parked somewhere else. Being a true car guy I appreciate a wide variety of cars & trucks which is way I’m at a loss to understand these attitude’s. Is it just my imagination or have others VW owners experienced this.
Dad and I went to a car show in prospect park and we were looking at soul_rebel's VW... which was parked next to some muscle car with the gas guzzler engine. He saw us walking towards him and when we turned to look at the VW he gave us a look. As I left the car show, some guy said to me so you one first place? I just looked at him and smiled while leaking oil onto his shoe.
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Mark,
good topic. I think that argument is as old as "Chevy VS Ford" or "Mopar VS whatever".
There is a very "anti foreign" thing going around but I've found it mostly used against the kids with the asian cars who are "Fast & Furious" wanbees. Certain clubs and events are known to be less than friendly to VWs and we don't support those groups or shows and thats just since its only putting $$ in their pockets through registration fees.
Now I have found that in the last couple of years with the shows we've done as a group we've been very accepted especially by the general population. Most people over 35 remember a time when every other car was a VW and I hear over and over again "the VWs are back". As far as the guy with the Elcamino, I've heard of Corvette guys getting pissed if the vet next to them isn't painted a complimenting color! Your best effort is to ignore these bone heads and not worry about some guys attitude. Just keep doing shows that you feel ( or we as a club pick ) will be fun after all thats the real reason we do them.
I ran into lots of this 13 years ago when I started showing my Bradley GT. At that time "Kit Cars" were 3 notches lower than "pond scum". I kept at it and finally people began to notice the car, the work that went into it, and the fact it was just different! Eventually so did the show promoters, 43 or 44 trophies later its all history. Trophies are nice but having people come up and tell me how much they like the car is much better!
Just one last thought, hang around at the end of a show and count how many of these "Big Bad Muscle Cars" get rolled up onto a trailer! 777 At least you built & drove yours! :icon_cheesygrin:
Hm-mmmmm Been there also and received the same attitude from some of these mussel heads. With gas jumping almost a buck a month these are the guys that can’t dump there big mussel junk. I’ve still got some local mussel head treating to jump me because my little car beat his big mussel lead-sled. Soon there be auguring about who’s wheelchair is quicker to the lunch room. drive&&
Oh yea BO** Oh yea- Baby
I really feel for them s0k
Quote from: njgt-1 on June 09, 2008, 08:37:11 PM
Certain clubs and events are known to be less than friendly to VWs and we don't support those groups or shows and thats just since its only putting $$ in their pockets through registration fees.
Just keep doing shows that you feel ( or we as a club pick ) will be fun after all thats the real reason we do them.
I have lerned my lesson. If it's not SJVC recommended, I'm not going. Heck I get more attention taking the long way to the tobacco store every Sunday anyway. And now I know why. The people I run into are in thier daily driver & have nothing to prove.
QuoteHeck I get more attention taking the long way to the tobacco store every Sunday anyway. And now I know why. The people I run into are in thier daily driver & have nothing to prove.
Good point!
I get stopped everytime I take the 72 out by somebody who is in the middle of a "nostalga fit". The Bradley gets more of a reaction, I had a woman tailgate me into the middle of Haddonfield and cut me off in her SUV. She got me at a light so I had to pull to the right and when I did she jumps out with a camera! "I just want to take a picture for my grandson!", nice but you could have asked!
I've been reading lots about the current "rat rod" movement. Seems like theres lots of motor heads out there that just want to drive em and don't care much about fancy paint. Funny how thats catching on with the volksrod crowd and some of the "rockabilly" types. Think form vs. function and it starts to make sense. Even bikes are going that route, saw an brand new Harley the other day with a flat black paint job & flamed pin stripes, think it was from the factory that way.
Quote from: njgt-1 on June 09, 2008, 08:37:11 PM
Mark,
At that time "Kit Cars" were 3 notches lower than "pond scum".
At the time??? so when did this change?
Forget the discriminatory A-holes, if the problem for them is that you irk them, then let them fume in their own hatred. Not worth the time to be dragged to their level or let yourself get upset.
Just be happy that the people that drive VW's are GENERALLY more accepting. Yes even the VW crowd discriminated against Kit cars for many many years (ask me how I know :rolleyes:). Drive what you like and enjoy it.
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I believe what makes them sooooooo mad is all of the attention a daily driver Vdub gets compared to their 30K+ just like every other muscle car doesn’t get. And besides all the ladies love the Vdubs, yet another reason for the muscle heads to be annoyed. I have had a few classic cars, and by far the people with VW's are the best group I have met. The worst were the Chevy guys, the guys in the Old Celica Clubwere good, but not much of a presence in the area.
This was my 1981 Sunchaser, quite rare only 2500 made,
the front top was a fiberglass targa, and the back
dropped like a convertable:
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Just my 2CENTS
Cheers,
Marc stoned#
That Elcamino wouldn't be that green 'WallyGator' one, would it. He is something else. He was nice enought to me when I was next to him with my Tbird. You know - telling me how great his car is (and it is nice) But to top it off, I had to give him a jump with my 50 somthing year old car because he couldn't afford a new battery. And he didn't even have his own jumper cables!
QuoteHe is something else. He was nice enought to me when I was next to him with my Tbird. You know - telling me how great his car is (and it is nice)
Yea, probaly drive you nuts with the "Wally Gator" theme music he plays over & over, nice car stupid theme!
QuoteAt the time??? so when did this change?
as soon as they saw my Bradley!!! :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:
Actually I've learned to have a "thick skin" theres enough idiots out there who have no idea what they are looking at. Its usually some 500lb dork who has to brag to his 400lb wife & the two 250lb kids " hey thats just a Volkswagen with a fancy body, see you just take the body off and bolt on that one" This dork has no idea how the car was really built, also couldn't fit in it and least of all do I feel like taking time to educate that lump! At most I say "if it was so easy wheres the rest of em? " If you really want to have fun follow this disfunctional tribe around and listen how much Mr. wonderful knows about Chevys, Fords and everything else!
This also applies to stock VWs also, how many time have you heard " Hitler built em", or "Why don't you put a Porsche motor in it"?? - sound familiar??
Quote from: njgt-1 on June 10, 2008, 03:31:11 PM
Actually I've learned to have a "thick skin"...
Thick skin is a requirement, face it there is not a car on the road that get's less respect or more disdain than a kit car....all for something that requires more work, knowledge etc.....you would think that any 'car guy' could at least understand or apprecciate that (even if it's not their cup of tea). It's all good tho, as you say "where's all the rest of them?", I'm very happy having something that is my own and no one elses. BO**
Quote from: njgt-1 on June 10, 2008, 03:31:11 PM
This dork has no idea how the car was really built.......
I used to often come back to my parked car (on the strip, hangouts, etc.) to find a small crowd. Inevitably some idiot would always be 'Explaining' everything about the car to the rest of the group. I would always just walk up, act stupid, maybe ask a bunch of ?'s etc. These 'experts' were always Waaayyyy off base. I always got a laugh, when after all the hot air I would just say "sorry, your wrong" ./// and get in and drive away........
Quote from: njgt-1 on June 10, 2008, 03:31:11 PM
how many times have you heard....
how many times have you heard...
honk the horn (to prove VW status) It never worked on me (chevy + airhorns were installed LOL shocked)
All in all the VW crowd is by FAR proven themselves to have more 'class' then every other crowd.
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Quote from: carfolite73Super on June 10, 2008, 01:50:59 PM
That Elcamino wouldn't be that green 'WallyGator' one, would it.
No it was an imaculent big block. Last Generation, I guess mid 70's. I realy should not single these guys out but at this last show I went to it was about 50% late model Chevy's. And the weird thing is that I emailed the VP of the club to see if I was welcome, he said absolutely. But just like the other club that opinion was not shared by other club members & hierarchy... A guy on Volks Rods.com hit the nail on the head though, "Rat Rods are all about bucking the trend, the car in & of itself is a protest against to the very people that disrespect it. Be proud that you accomplished what you set out to do. Hold your head up high and enter more high end shows and piss more of them off. Job well done." Food for thought, I may just do that ;) End of rant.
Quote from: Bugaru on June 09, 2008, 09:31:34 PM
I've still got some local mussel head treating to jump me because my little car beat his big mussel lead-sled.
YOU NEVER GET JUMPED ALONE WHEN YOU RIDE WITH SJVWC!!!!
We will load everyone in Most Beutiful War Wagon and go kickButt kickButt kickButt with ya JayBird!!! Let me at um...fight=
Guys,
I guess we have to look at both sides, for every Yahoo spectator that has said something stupid about my cars I still think of 10 honest people who have given me " nice car", "wow I had one like that", "you did a great job". The same goes for the other people in car shows, I've had lots of compliments from fellow show participants and even a few surprises. We can't let the BS crowd stop us from doing shows and events if that were the case I would have quit long ago.
I think you will find A-holes in every group, even VW shows! I've had people come up to me at VW shows and accuse me of "killing" a good VW by making a kit car out of it. Never mind the damn thing sat in a field before I got it and was actually turned into a kit way back in the 70's. A couple of "Bone Heads" even added to the stupidity by telling me I was wrong restoring a Bradley and I should have put the "original body" back!!
The best way to deal with these "idiot types" is to keep on going to shows, the more the organizers see you the more you are accepted. Sooner or later it hits them, "Hey that guy is alright, he came back and the car is interesting". You can only look at rows of camaros, mustangs & chevells for so long before it gets boring. If you really want to piss them off just hang in there, when people will walk past a row of Corvettes to take a look at the "Funky Volkswagen" then you know you did a number on them! They will sit there with their stack of $10.00 trophies and their $65,000.00 muscle car & trailer scratching their heads and wondering why you came back!
Quote from: njgt-1 on June 10, 2008, 03:31:11 PM
Actually I've learned to have a "thick skin" theres enough idiots out there who have no idea what they are looking at. Its usually some 500lb dork who has to brag to his 400lb wife & the two 250lb kids "
This also applies to stock VWs also, how many time have you heard " Hitler built em"
Hey are you talking about me and my family, besides that I had a uncle named Adolf. Watch it there Mr Bobby Gt
Please don't make me re-live the show with that STUPID WALLY GATOR theme ALL DAY LONG! Real nice ride ... I could live without the music!
Mark, we talked about just this subject at the picnic ... show up at a major ALL VEHICLE event ... like Merchantville (for example) ... meet the club at the meeting spot ... we ALL drive in as a CLUB ... we all park together ... and watch the people flock to the VW's. It's wild! Doesn't matter if your car doesn't have perfect paint, completely finished or on a trailer. What matters is having a good time and being out with YOUR PEOPLE ... SJVWC. If you win a trophy ... bonus ... but in this guy's opinion that's not why I show up. It's about my PEOPLE/the club.
Quote from: Mikecoast on June 11, 2008, 10:54:16 AM
What matters is having a good time and being out with YOUR PEOPLE ... SJVWC. If you win a trophy ... bonus ... but in this guy's opinion that's not why I show up. It's about my PEOPLE/the club.
U got that right buddy. I'm with ya 100% an that one. Have your people call my people.
Quote from: 6d4vdub (jack) on June 11, 2008, 02:22:11 PM
U got that right buddy. I'm with ya 100% an that one. Have your people call my people.
You don't have any people I1t
Steveo
Quote from: Mikecoast on June 11, 2008, 10:54:16 AM
What matters is having a good time and being out with YOUR PEOPLE ... SJVWC. If you win a trophy ... bonus ... but in this guy's opinion that's not why I show up. It's about my PEOPLE/the club.
Your preaching to the choir here. I am in total agreement. It is the SJVW club people that are important. Trophy’s, don’t need them or want them kickButt For now on at any event I go to I’m gonna split come judging time & I’ll be long gone when they hand out awards burnrubber I plan to enjoy the cars & people, completion is not my thing :icon_puke_l: The unpleasant experiences with Crusin Classic’s & Wicked Rides clubs have served to show me how not to have a good time at an event @3# Lesson learned f+t sjvwcrocks rant
Wasn't that a post somewhere on here about how to have a good time at a car show?!
I think one of the main things was to not expect to win. I thing another thing on the list was leave the wife/girlfriend at home. LOL.
Maybe I'll find it and bring it up again.
QuoteI think one of the main things was to not expect to win.
I've always said just look at your car as a "big fat ticket", its a chance to get behind the ropes and see what the "car culture" is about from the inside. If you take the opportunity to see some amazing vehicles & talk with their owners as an "insider" you will enjoy the experience much more. Trophies are nice ( yea I've got a bunch ) but if thats the only reason to be there then you should take up a new hobby, stained glass or knitting! You are missing the point ! winning is nice but its just "icing on the cake" if you are having a good time then thats enough.
Quote from: Beetleboi on June 12, 2008, 12:04:52 AM
I think one of the main things was to not expect to win.
Better not upset and tell Danny that! f+t
QuoteU got that right buddy. I'm with ya 100% an that one. Have your people call my people.
Jack ... we have the same people ... so wouldn't we being calling ourselves?
QuoteBetter not upset and tell Danny that!
yea, pissing off the judges isn't a good way to make the club welcome at the next one. :icon_evil:
QuoteJack ... we have the same people ... so wouldn't we being calling ourselves?
I hear he likes to "talk to himself" alot!
Quote from: 6d4vdub (jack) on June 10, 2008, 06:12:51 PM
YOU NEVER GET JUMPED ALONE WHEN YOU RIDE WITH SJVWC!!!!
We will load everyone in Most Beutiful War Wagon and go kickButt kickButt kickButt with ya JayBird!!! Let me at um...fight=
That's right Jack!!!!! ...........................We get em, you plant 'em !5!
M
Quote from: matt on June 12, 2008, 12:46:39 PM
That's right Jack!!!!! ...........................We get em, you plant 'em !5!
M
LoL LoL LoL DAM RIGHT!
Quote from: Mikecoast on June 12, 2008, 10:19:57 AM
Jack ... we have the same people ... so wouldn't we being calling ourselves?
Not sure, call my people and check.
Quote from: njgt-1 on June 12, 2008, 11:04:17 AM
I hear he likes to "talk to himself" alot!
As for you Robert, ahhhh, call my people.
hey enough ,
Enough is enough, i have had vw's since the age of 13, i love vw's and always will, but i also own at the present time two chevelles a 68 and a #'s matching 72 ss " needs resto" and have owned quite a number of chevelles over the years, and i also love rx-7's i have owned a few also and toyotas well i guess i can say i am car crazy. and you will never find me talking bad about vw's even though i am a true muscle car guy cause i just love the darn things.
so you really cant say chevy guys are the worst cause i have a few freinds with muscle cars and they too like the beetles and havae had them in the past. i must say one thing the guys i am talking about are also of puerto rican descent so that being said i guess its a puerto rican thing ha.
Quote from: perdecas on June 12, 2008, 11:05:15 PM
i am talking about are also of puerto rican descent so that being said i guess its a puerto rican thing ha.
Yeah Frank,but the puerto rican car owners that I have met also have more respect for their cars as well as other cars than most of the white trash, mullet wearing, muscle heads that we see out there.
We better end this Frank before Uncle Jack steps in and tells us to calm down.
Deep breath ... now exhale ...
It just seems that the respect is very one way. I got to show and LOVE to see other people's rides and what they have done, over did or haven't done. It's all good if you ask me. Unforchantly ... some of the "others" don't see our VW's in the same light.
Maybe it is the muscle car guys, I dont know. When I went to the Kimbertown antique car show a little while ago, I showed my 55 - no one gave me a hard time. Maybe it's the antique crowd more accepting. In fact, lot of people seemed to like my bug - there is one thing that we got going that other car type owners dont, - our cars carry a lot of nostalgia (love with people. Seems like everyone in the world had one. They love those memories.
M
Maybe it's also the fact that you have a really nice car :icon_biggrin:
:icon_wink:
Not me, stevo does.
- seen the paint on my 55?
M
QuoteNot me, stevo does.
one word - ORIGINAL!
Think we had this discussion last year ?
I believe I have the best paint job in the club ::)
QuoteI believe I have the best paint job in the club
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Hey Greg, I would like to challenge you for that 'Best Paint' award!
I may have you guys beat as far as paint jobs go. I'm showing the left profile of Sleeping Beauty. She has a green body, tan hood, and black primer front right fender. This is a one off three tone variation of the basic Type 1.
QuoteI may have you guys beat as far as paint jobs go. I'm showing the left profile of Sleeping Beauty. She has a green body, tan hood, and black primer front right fender. This is a one off three tone variation of the basic Type 1.
Little rustoleum and some sand paper will take care of that!
Hope Frank doesn't read this!
If we can choose what the angle of the car will be, that would be great!. MIke If your paint job is better than mine I gotta see this! I spent many hours getting the rust spots to to look just right. :)