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Title: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Beetleboi -Greg- on July 21, 2008, 07:27:05 PM
Would like to remove my engine this fall... preferably after English Town to fix oil leaks and add some...missing parts onto my motor.
Mechanic like most of you know wanted 300 dollars, If i can do this in a day I'd like to do this myself with some assistant from the crew.
We do not have a garage and dad doesn't want to drop the motor, saving money is important when you only make 9.25 an hour.

Please let me know if you can help.

This is what needs to be done... possibly.

Oil Cooler Seals
Valve Cover gaskets *replacing next oil change*
Front Seal

Installation of flaps thermostat etc.

Bottom Tin

Engine liner seal.

Let me know if anybody can help, If not I'll get another estimate from the shop in monroeville.

-Greg-

PS 60 wt does exist. I ended up getting straight 40.  BO** BO** BO** Leaking is less.


Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: matt on July 21, 2008, 09:06:04 PM


In the fall, if you are REALLY stuck for a garage you can use mine, (probably, but need to check my schedule at that time) I'm in Pa tho, and of course if we do not finish for whatever reason, you may have to stay over, - so you would have to pack your P-jamees, and bunny slippers. Katie loves reading bedtime stories, so your in luck there!

Matt
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: lovebus (jack) on July 21, 2008, 09:48:39 PM
Quote from: Beetleboi on July 21, 2008, 07:27:05 PM

We do not have a garage and dad doesn't want to drop the motor, saving money is important when you only make 9.25 an hour.

shocked  $9.25 an hour? Gosh man get a job.

Please let me know if you can help. I can help but it has to be done at my place and you need at least two others that know what they are doing.

This is what needs to be done... possibly.

Oil Cooler Seals
Valve Cover gaskets *replacing next oil change*  Better buy a extra set to replace when you do the work
Front Seal

Installation of flaps thermostat etc.   Make sure you have ALL the right parts you will need.

Bottom Tin

Engine liner seal.   question?sign



Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Beetleboi -Greg- on July 21, 2008, 10:16:20 PM
Thanks Jack, and Matt, Matt thanks for the offer Jack is a little closer. Sorry I have to miss Katie's stories.

The engine liner seal thing is the piese that goes on the rear of the tine that keeps the exhaust heat out of the engine compartment. Bob pointed it out to me at the collingswood cruise, it's a piece of rubber around the inside lip of the engine lid... if that makes any sense.




Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Beetleboi -Greg- on July 21, 2008, 10:25:32 PM
Anybody have a preference for valve cover gaskets?
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Beetleboi -Greg- on July 21, 2008, 10:29:58 PM
Rubber, Cork or Neoprene

Bob, Joe, John G. do you guys have a preferred day of the week If you guys can help?

*Again I'd like to do this after Englishtown*

Can this project be competed in 1 day? With 4 plus guys there?
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: 6T5 square on July 22, 2008, 06:44:07 AM
I'll be there. Like Jack says- get all the parts that you need (I would even pm him to go over the list of stuff you may need) Stock up starting now. Then we will pick a date in the fall and get to it. It might possibly be done in one day so make it a saturday in case we need the sunday. (Consult the show calendar- I want to go to pumpkin Run) And don't forget to take the weekend off! I'm not going to work on the motor if your not there! We get $70 an hour if your not there!
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: lovebus (jack) on July 22, 2008, 08:23:41 AM
What John said and we only  need 3 guys and yourself to watch, clean parts and learn. So you need one more person any more and we will be tripping over each other. But, if anyone wants to come and watch and learn, your mor then welcome to attend.

And MOST important You also have to bring a Jug Of Joe and  plndonut plndonut plndonut  donut donut  196 196 196
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: lovebus (jack) on July 22, 2008, 08:30:49 AM
Quote from: Beetleboi on July 21, 2008, 10:29:58 PM
Rubber, Cork or Neoprene

Bob, Joe, John G. do you guys have a preferred day of the week If you guys can help?



Just call BugStuff and he will send the right ones.
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: bugs2much on July 22, 2008, 09:05:23 AM
Put me on the list. I'll be there.
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: njgt-1 on July 22, 2008, 09:28:39 AM
QuoteBob, Joe, John G. do you guys have a preferred day of the week If you guys can help?


Saturday and late fall if possible, lots going on for the next 2 months

QuoteAnybody have a preference for valve cover gaskets?

cork works well  2CENTS

QuoteAnd MOST important You also have to bring a Jug Of Joe and           

:icon_thumright: :icon_thumright: :icon_thumright:
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Beetleboi -Greg- on July 22, 2008, 12:13:09 PM
i forgot about the push rod tube seals. jack if possible id like to bring it to u so you can check to see if the things i listed are actually leaking before i open up my wallet. d-s d-s d-s I1t
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: matt on July 22, 2008, 12:26:59 PM


If a hand is needed, I can help

pushrod seals? - those are cheap, but quite a bit of work to get to. Heads off and all that stuff.


M
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: 6T5 square on July 22, 2008, 12:27:59 PM
wouldn't an engine seal kit include everything he needs?
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: matt on July 22, 2008, 12:37:14 PM


Pretty much,

def not the engine compartment seal,
and maybe not the front seal......

But it still would be good to know what is leaking exactly.................



Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: 6T5 square on July 22, 2008, 12:44:38 PM
I figure it would just save greg some time shopping around. He could get the additional seals seperate(front seal, I would replace the trans seal while you have the engine out, etc.)
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: njgt-1 on July 22, 2008, 01:03:10 PM
QuoteBut it still would be good to know what is leaking exactly.................

yea, a leak & missing tins is exactly how we started with Mikes engine..
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Beetleboi -Greg- on July 22, 2008, 01:29:30 PM
ohhhh dont tell me that!! jack is there a smiley holding his ears?? shocked
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Beetleboi -Greg- on October 10, 2008, 09:40:44 PM
Hey guys so my official start date for the Job is October 27 so I wanted to set up a date to do they engine pull...I hope you are all still willing to help.

Here are the possible dates, because we are doing this at Jack's Crib, I think he should have the most pull to when this actually happens.

All of these are Saturday and Sunday

8 and 9 *8th is Pumpkin Run*
15 and 16 *15th is Toys for Tots*
22 and 23
29 and 30

Dec Brrrr

6 and 7
13 and 14

Also Pat I'd like to stop by so you fix that hole behind the window  plndonut 196 plndonut 196

the following week I go back to working Weekends.

I also need your coffee preference Dunkin' Donuts or Wawa and between the tally's that's where I'll pick up the coffee and your donut of choice.

This is what needs be worked on
Pushrod Tubs/Seals
Oil Cooler Seal
Main Seal would like to put a sand seal on it I was told it keeps oil from flinging every where
All the tin work replaced if I can find it
Theromstat and hardware if I can find it

Thanks to those who volunteered to help... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE hell I might even order a Pizza!

Also if there is something that I should replace while the motor is out might as well do it now just let me know what it is and if it's a decent price I'll go ahead and order that too!

Thanks,

Greg



Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: lovebus (jack) on October 11, 2008, 07:56:33 AM
Quote from: Beetleboi on October 10, 2008, 09:40:44 PM
Hey guys so my official start date for the Job is October 27 so I wanted to set up a date to do they engine pull...I hope you are all still willing to help.

Here are the possible dates, because we are doing this at Jack's Crib, I think he should have the most pull to when this actually happens.

All of these are Saturday and Sunday

8 and 9 *8th is Pumpkin Run*
15 and 16 *15th is Toys for Tots*
22 and 23
29 and 30

Dec Brrrr ------  My garage has heat

6 and 7
13 and 14

Also Pat I'd like to stop by so you fix that hole behind the window  plndonut 196 plndonut 196

the following week I go back to working Weekends.

I also need your coffee preference Dunkin' Donuts or Wawa and between the tally's that's where I'll pick up the coffee and your donut of choice.  Jug of Joe from Dunkin Donuts & Donuts

This is what needs be worked on
Pushrod Tubs/Seals
Oil Cooler Seal
Main Seal would like to put a sand seal on it I was told it keeps oil from flinging every where NO sand seal
All the tin work replaced if I can find it
Theromstat and hardware if I can find it

Thanks to those who volunteered to help... YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE hell I might even order a Pizza!

Also if there is something that I should replace while the motor is out might as well do it now just let me know what it is and if it's a decent price I'll go ahead and order that too!

Thanks,

Greg




Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: 6T5 square on October 11, 2008, 09:14:58 AM
Set a date. I'll be there. Also get together with mr jack and put together a shopping list. have everything you need before the date- I've learned that the hard way.
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Baha (Shawn) on October 11, 2008, 10:50:59 AM
Ill be there for Photo & Video (and yes i am working on the stuff from Taylor's)
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Beetleboi -Greg- on October 11, 2008, 10:58:34 AM
Ok lets make it the 29 and 30th of Nov. so i have two solid paychecks before its time to pull the motor. Jack ill private you once i get home with the parts im going to order to seeif i missed anything, why no sand seal?
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: 6T5 square on October 11, 2008, 11:21:13 AM
not necessary
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Beetleboi -Greg- on October 11, 2008, 11:35:38 AM
Ahhh alrighty i though it would help keep the motor clean. Anybody know about these new lower cool tins that are suppose to replace the sleds? i cant find new sleds anywhere.  Unless i want a chrome dress up kit which isnt my thing.
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: njgt-1 on October 11, 2008, 01:04:50 PM
QuoteAnybody know about these new lower cool tins that are suppose to replace the sleds? i cant find new sleds anywhere.  Unless i want a chrome dress up kit which isnt my thing.

Yea, they don't work! We tossed them out on Mikes engine they will actually increase your chances of over heating!

Stay with deflectors and lower tins as well as flaps in your fan shroud. All stuff you can pick up used at E-town

What the heck is a sled?? and don't say something to play in snow with!
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Beetleboi -Greg- on October 11, 2008, 02:00:56 PM
Bob i think the sleds are just the slang name for the deflectors. im having trouble finding the main seal, is that the same as the main shaft seal for the trans? The main seal is the front seal right?  ???
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: 6T5 square on October 11, 2008, 04:36:39 PM
Quote from: Beetleboi on October 11, 2008, 02:00:56 PM
im having trouble finding the main seal, is that the same as the main shaft seal for the trans? The main seal is the front seal right?  ???
No. The main seal is on the front of the motor (front is front , right?!)

the rear seal is called a rear trans seal and it goes in the rear of the transmission.


Write up a shopping list and try to make it to Englishtown. If you cant- ask your Dad for a favor ;D
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: njgt-1 on October 11, 2008, 05:01:46 PM
John is right,
just think of the main seal as behind the flywheel. Weird but on a VW the flywheel end is considered the front of the motor. Anything else the flywheel is on the back, we drive some strange cars!
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Beetleboi -Greg- on October 11, 2008, 06:38:25 PM
Took some lying but I got out of working sunday, i used my sister's wedding as a crutch. *halo flickers off*

All those gaskets and such do you get those from those tents with all the drawers and rubbermaid container? They had one of those tests at Atco and also at Flanders.


Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: 6T5 square on October 11, 2008, 07:28:22 PM
Most of the vendors there will have what you want. If you go there with the list, tell them what car you have and they will start pulling parts for you.
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Daverted on October 11, 2008, 07:58:25 PM
Hey Greg,
    If you put peperoni on the pizza, I'll help $61$. I have had alot of experience with all types of mechanical stuff, but need to brush up on air cooleds vwlogo. I would also like to tease Jack if I can get the chance kickButt.  So I would like to be part of this gaggle if allowed  P#3 $61$. 
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: njgt-1 on October 11, 2008, 07:59:46 PM
Greg

I'll try to pitch in for that one. can never have too many hands on an engine pull besides its a chance to get into Jacks garage and get all my tools back!
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Beetleboi -Greg- on October 11, 2008, 10:47:48 PM
Jack said in the beginning I think just three guys who know what they are doing. As long as you stay away from the guys who "know what they are doing" I don't see a problem with some observers being there. That's Jack's call, it's his property.
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: VWPANZER1 on October 11, 2008, 11:16:42 PM
Quote from: Beetleboi on October 11, 2008, 06:38:25 PM

All those gaskets and such do you get those from those tents with all the drawers and rubbermaid container? They had one of those tests at Atco and also at Flanders.




  I would just order a rebuild kit (for a start) and the rest of the seals from one of the VW mail order business that do a big volumn buiness-that way you know your not getting old seals.
Perhaps from Berg that way your not getting third world country quality gaskets and seals.
Ask Bob where he gets his gaskets and seals.

jt
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: lovebus (jack) on October 12, 2008, 08:25:12 PM
The kits with the red P/R tube seals in them are for chit.
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Beetleboi -Greg- on October 13, 2008, 12:03:29 AM
I'll ask one of you guys to check out what I'm buying at Englishtown B4 I buy it. I'm hoping these seals will do their job for a couple of years, if I have to spend more for better ones than I will do so. Hell after bills I might not be bringing any money with me  m-d
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: njgt-1 on October 13, 2008, 06:28:03 AM
QuoteI'll ask one of you guys to check out what I'm buying at Englishtown B4 I buy it. I'm hoping these seals will do their job for a couple of years, if I have to spend more for better ones than I will do so. Hell after bills I might not be bringing any money with me  mad

Greg

Just see Jack from Bugstuff at E-town. Tell him what you need and let him know you are with the club, thats good for 10% off....
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: lovebus (jack) on October 13, 2008, 09:38:58 AM
I don't care who comes to watch, anyone is welcome......










just be sure to bring a tool!
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: 6T5 square on October 13, 2008, 11:29:41 AM
Quote from: LoveBus (jack) on October 13, 2008, 09:38:58 AM

just be sure to bring a tool!

and donuts!
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: njgt-1 on October 13, 2008, 12:01:08 PM
QuoteI don't care who comes to watch, anyone is welcome......










just be sure to bring a tool!

just don't expect to get it back!!  shocked
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Baha (Shawn) on October 13, 2008, 01:56:33 PM
Quote from: LoveBus (jack) on October 13, 2008, 09:38:58 AM
just be sure to bring a tool!

Cool... so I can bring my neighbor with the custom PT Cruiser... He's a tool! :o
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Celly on October 20, 2008, 09:18:24 PM
Hey did I here Greg is buying lunch wow*  ...i'm so there P#3...when is this happening again  plndonut 196 s#r s#r
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: njgt-1 on October 20, 2008, 10:32:32 PM
(http://sjvwc.net/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=336;type=avatar) Yo John,
another one???

this beats the "Dough Boy !"
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Beetleboi -Greg- on October 20, 2008, 11:44:45 PM
Yucel November 29-30th be there or be [ ]
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Beetleboi -Greg- on October 20, 2008, 11:56:17 PM
Should I also get rocker arms to put on while the heads are off? OH CHIT I forgot to get the engine to body seals someone remind me around the 31st *payday*
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: njgt-1 on October 21, 2008, 06:13:18 AM
QuoteShould I also get rocker arms to put on while the heads are off?

?? Why ??
save your bucks and later on get new "elephant foot" adjuster screws, around $45.00 from CB performance.
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Beetleboi -Greg- on October 21, 2008, 08:55:51 AM
45 bucks for just the screws? are they gold plated at least?
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: njgt-1 on October 21, 2008, 09:23:46 AM
http://www.cbperformance.com/catalog.asp?ProductID=1411

not gold but worth every  d-s
your rocker arm & valves "best friend"
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: lovebus (jack) on October 21, 2008, 09:28:48 AM
That is cheap compared to G.B.
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: Beetleboi -Greg- on October 21, 2008, 09:33:34 AM
Alrighty ill check them out dad said that im probably due for a valve adjustment bc my bug sounds like an old chevy lol ;D
Title: Re: Garage Space Needed
Post by: njgt-1 on October 21, 2008, 10:22:51 AM
QuoteThat is cheap compared to G.B.

about 4 years ago I got a set from berg for a friends engine they were around $45.00, a year later I ordered a set for my car they cost $85.00, this winter I checked theprice for Mikes car and they were around $129.00 ! Mike has the CB ones and so far they are working fine. The Berg adjusters are real Porsche 911 parts thats why the price jumped.


Quotemy bug sounds like an old chevy lol

hope that Chevy is a Corvair, they are very quiet - hydraulic lifters and no adjustments!