Looks like the only way to get plans approved in this township is to be a member of the zoning board and have a wife on the township committee. Or be a big boat builder with lots of d-s d-s d-s then you can build wherever you want even in Wetlands. My site plan for the garage was shot down by the zoning officer. Can't build it where I want and any other place on the property is not practical or is considered Wetlands. Like one little garage is going to hurt the environment. m-d It might be time to move.
Yeah...that sucks. My buddy put up one of those temporary shelters and replaces the 'tent material' every couple of years. He works/keeps his '69 Firebird in it. He went thru the same thing...I know they suck, look ugly etc., but it's one way to get around the zoning issue. Plus, you *could* put some solid/plywood walls in there and just have the 'tent' covering it all up. With a portable heater and some lights mounted on a cross beam, it really isn't that bad. This is one way to have your cake and eat it too sorta...
Oh...and it doesn't have to be a rinky dink one either. You could put up one of These 20X30' shelters (http://tinyurl.com/5z5hnn) over a concrete 'patio' and do some serious work inside weldface
LOTS cheaper than a regular garage too...
-B
Once you do concrete they consider it a permanent structure. Might be best to go with a 24x30 "shed" with a 3/4 wood floor. That way you can say it can be moved. weldface
...or you can do brick or pavers so that you have a solid floor. If you simply put the shelter over an 'existing patio' then they can't say jack about it. And...a patio, will not make your taxes go up either.
Get the ordinance that governs it. Read it carefully. It may be that a "Garage" which requires a foundation cant be done but a "Pole Barn" which does NOT require a foundation can. Also a "Portable" which is a self contained unit that can be moved
is not a "Permanent Structure".
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That is the one I'm getting. 14' X 24' delivered whole for under $8000!
http://www.amishwoodworks.com/portable_garages.htm (http://www.amishwoodworks.com/portable_garages.htm)
OH....AND CALL IT A SHED! Never use the "G" word again
QuoteLooks like the only way to get plans approved in this township is to be a member of the zoning board and have a wife on the township committee. Or be a big boat builder with lots of dollersign dollersign dollersign then you can build wherever you want even in Wetlands. My site plan for the garage was shot down by the zoning officer. Can't build it where I want and any other place on the property is not practical or is considered Wetlands. Like one little garage is going to hurt the
Jim,
Have the same problem here in Audubon. The town told me about 14 years ago that "too much of my land is covered". Even with all the set backs it would have pushed a garage to about the center of my yard. I've been renting a 2 car garage about 6 blocks from my house since 1995. The property changed hands about 2 years ago and my rent has gone up so I'm always looking for something secure and cheaper. I've got a tent garage bolted down to the end of my driveway and my Corvair has been living in it for about 3 years. There isn't enough room to work on the car but at least its staying dry. Good luck !
Quote from: Bahaha on November 26, 2008, 02:54:36 PM
Get the ordinance that governs it. Read it carefully. It may be that a "Garage" which requires a foundation cant be done but a "Pole Barn" which does NOT require a foundation can. Also a "Portable" which is a self contained unit that can be moved
is not a "Permanent Structure".
(http://www.amishwoodworks.com/PCS%202006%20Product%20Photos%20CD/Pics%20RGB%20JPG/Garages/12x24%20VY%20Pk%20Garage%20w712%20Pitch%20wDormer%20035.jpg)
That is the one I'm getting. 14' X 24' delivered whole for under $8000!
http://www.amishwoodworks.com/portable_garages.htm (http://www.amishwoodworks.com/portable_garages.htm)
OH....AND CALL IT A SHED! Never use the "G" word again
Buddy,
Try the guy down on RT-47 in Newfield/Malaga next to Wrights Liquiors right across the street from the Malaga PO. Bought a 10-12 by 15-20, ( Cant remember ) last year for $2500 delivered, real nice guy.. family business.
Steveo
Thats a real bummer. I live in Mullica also. They would not let me do a detached Pole Barn but they aproved a 25x25 garage attached to the house. Have you checked into that? It cost me double the price of the Pole Barn but thier was no problems otherwise & I don't know anybody in local government. Did not need a varience or anything just standard permits & my lot is only an acre.
Thanks for all the good advice. I'm not done yet. I plan on getting some of the committee members here along with the zoning officer and show them exactly where I want the garage placed and why it should go there. I intended to put up a pole barn but that was shot down. I live in the sticks in the middle of nowhere and the garage couldn't even be seen from the road. c23 &m&
I think it's a matter ( as someone has already stated) of the ratio of how much land you have vs. how much is built on it.
40X40' Garage 25X45 House with F150 in between. Not much lawn to mow P#3 The house came with the garage...it's the only reason I bought the joint. There's definately more building than lawn. Guess it was grandfathered in...along with the 3-phase :icon_twisted:
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fig2 You dawg! You work for yourself AND at HOME? :wallbash: I'm SOOOOO jealous
dancbanana
Yeppers....but I do put in the hours - which is why I haven't driven my '76 yet.
Quotegrandfathered in...
Ah yes...the grandfather clause!
I've heard that if you were to knock down a garage and rebuild it in the same "footprint" its ok to ignore local codes since as long as theres no more than 10 years between demolition and reconstruction.
A guy around the corner from my house knocked down a rotted 1 car garage about 7 or 8 years ago and rebuilt it. Just 1 little catch, he made it a two story garage! The second floor is done up with windows, lights and an outside stair case. His wife uses it as a crafts studio. I don't think the building inspector saw that coming but its been built in the exact foot print as the old garage. Guess the "grandfather factor" doesn't apply to height!
Bob, that'll vary from township to township. They will also take into effect wether it's an eyesore or if it will effect anyone elses enjoyment of their property or resale value.
I've dealt with this alot when I moved in here
Some good news on the old subject. Met with the Zoning Official today at my house. He looked at my property, the site plan, house location, and listened to my reasons for the proposed garage location. After much thought, (about 10 seconds), he said "ok, I don't see any other place where you can build", but I need a variance which he explained is a formality and took me through the steps in that process. So it's off to the clerks office now for the forms. :icon_cheers:
:icon_cheers: WAY-TO-GO Jim. $61$ P#3
That's great news! Let's hope that you have nice neighbors...In the end, they are the ones who decide if it's a go or not...
-B
Cool, hope all goes well. I (love my garage
Quote from: braidmeister on December 03, 2008, 03:44:38 PM
That's great news! Let's hope that you have nice neighbors...In the end, they are the ones who decide if it's a go or not...
-B
Ugh oh, well hopefully the one neighbor is in jail by the time they come around and ask. ::)
Quote from: Beetleboi on December 03, 2008, 07:19:38 PM
Ugh oh, well hopefully the one neighbor is in jail by the time they come around and ask. ::)
That's great News. By the way, they don't come a asking, they usually simply mail out a notice to each neighbor who's property line is within 200' of any edge of yours. But each Township may vary. The best way to handle that pesty neighbor is .///
Quote from: Bugaru on December 03, 2008, 07:56:41 PM
That's great News. By the way, they don't come a asking, they usually simply mail out a notice to each neighbor who's property line is within 200' of any edge of yours. But each Township may vary. The best way to handle that pesty neighbor is .///
I don't think that neighbor will be a problem since he is not an upstanding member of the community, has had numerous run ins with the law and just last week was taken from his house in hand cuffs. What an exciting day that was, BO** wish I had my camera.
Quote from: bugs2much on December 03, 2008, 08:56:56 PM
I don't think that neighbor will be a problem since he is not an upstanding member of the community, has had numerous run ins with the law and just last week was taken from his house in hand cuffs. What an exciting day that was, wish I had my camera.
I believe that's what they call, Good Grief! ;)
Yeah Brady, I could write a story on this guy. Slashed tires, spray painted cars, and it's not like we live in the city where stuff like that is common. We live in the woods lol. ;D He yelled at me for driving my 65 Falcon around our property telling me how it was illegal to do that, a total nut job.
Quote from: braidmeister on December 03, 2008, 11:51:12 PM
I believe that's what they call, Good Grief! ;)
LoL LoL LoL Brady
The Germans call it schadenfreude
Greg, get in on the planning asap. Perhaps you can get a loft over the garage for the bachelor pad! BO**
Quote from: dawelder on December 04, 2008, 08:32:19 AM
Greg, get in on the planning asap. Perhaps you can get a loft over the garage for the bachelor pad! BO**
Now there is a good idea Pat :icon_sunny:, nothing could be better, but would be too much d-s d-s d-s and zoning would be a problem. Besides I would then really have to keep and eye on my parts pile. LoL
Just had another good meeting with the Zoning Officer and staff at town hall this AM. They are now just about bending over backwards to help and I am very appreciative. BO**
And by the way the subject of the crappy neighbor came up. Because of the variance I must notify neighbors that I intend to build. Every one in the office knows about the bum and said not to worry about him. "He will not be a problem" :icon_cheers:.
Jim, when things go good, they REALLY go good!
You're not just a kiddin Jack. Now I got a lot of forms to fill out and phone calls to make but at least everything looks like a go.
as long as the neighbor doesn't raise a stink.
With the township- keep smiling and go through the motions. It may take time but it sounds like it will pay off! BO**
Yep, I won't be able to have everything ready for the January zoning board meeting ,but should be ready for the Feb meeting.
So ya having it built or are we doing an old fashioned Barn Raisin'? (http://msn.mess.be/data/thumbnails/37/amish.gif)
Havin it built, I'm tired of building. Might do the wiring and interior work though.
Maybe you can put a lean to on the side of the trailor for my bug =-) Or I'll just take over the car tent.
Quote from: bugs2much on December 04, 2008, 10:59:54 PM
Havin it built, I'm tired of building. Might do the wiring and interior work though.
When your ready to do the drywall let us know. I did mine by myself and it was no easy task.
Can I be the first to leak oil on the floor? I1t
Quote from: LoveBus (jack) on December 05, 2008, 08:36:43 AM
Can I be the first to leak oil on the floor? I1t
LoL LoL LoL
Just got back on line,
new garage just needs 1 word...
LIFT!
hope it has high celings!
Here's the latest in the never ending garage story. Everything that I could do on my own to get this project moving is done. It involved some leg work, meetings with the Zoning Officer, township Clerk, tax office, Tax Collector, filling out forms and applications, studying 80 lines of information on the application form check list to make sure that all is correct, and etc, etc. No big deal, just time consuming.
Yesterday I met with a retired electrician friend who will be doing the electrical work.
Now all I need is a survey. Contacted 4, yes, 4 surveyors. It has been a week and only got one quote which went right into the trash. The other 3, who knows, guess the economy hasn't been a problem for them. c23 Give me a transit and a piece of paper and I'll do it myself; establish corner, benchmark, 2 to 3 turning points, locate the buildings, make a scale drawing and I'm done 4 hrs work $400.00 goodbye. :icon_cheesygrin: OH wait, I don't have the license. :icon_cry:
Hey does anybody do survey work or know of a surveyor that surveys for a reasonable price?
I'll be out with my tape Monday.
$400 don't sound bad.
I can help with whatever, I'm no stranger to spackling either, Insulating also, whatever you need gifsawsall
Thanks guys. sjvwcrocks
Jim, 3-400 is about the going rate nowadays.Think of it this way at 400 a day the company makes 104,000 annually. Not a lot if you have your own business. s#r
Even though I can fit three cars into my carage (and the town says a 2 car garage is the biggest you can build), I have been looking into sticking a large "shed" into the yard. Has anyone checked out http://www.shedsunlimited.net/SingleCarGarages.html where you can get a 12x20 for about $3000 before tax and delivery? (Amish country)I would probably build my own, but for those of you who need to buy.....
Quote from: bugs2much on December 12, 2008, 12:57:25 PMHey does anybody do survey work or know of a surveyor that surveys for a reasonable price?
I don't know the rates but email Dave Land (yup). http://daveland.net/ Tell him Shawn at Superior told you to call.
Mike, they sell the in Williamstown at the Amish market on the Black Horse Pike.
Quote from: LoveBus (jack) on December 13, 2008, 08:46:44 PM
Mike, they sell the in Williamstown at the Amish market on the Black Horse Pike.
They're $3K cheaper for the 14 X 24! Thanks Mike (and Jack). Just found the money to pay fo another VW
Had the survey done today. It's been over a month since my rant about the survey. Now maybe things will start to move in a positive direction. I was just about ready to give up.
@@@ rdone
Quote from: LoveBus (jack) on January 12, 2009, 04:53:54 PM
@@@ rdone
Ya aint just a kiddin Jack. Wasn't too bad today workin on the beetle, but a nice warm garage to work in would be much better.
I should change the topic to 'maybe a garage for me'. Just got back from the planning board meeting. The vote was 7 for 1 against. Won't get the final decision till next months meeting. I think the no vote dude :whip: was asleep when I testified as to why the garage has to be built where planned. &&&& And he must have really been dozing off when the zoning official further explained why the location was chosen. Geeeeeeeeeeze Oh well I guess he felt he is doing his job. :icon_jokercolor:
I sure hope it works out for you. My garage is my release valve & my favorite space. When I'm in there I forget about all the things that cause me stress. I'm sure that Greg will appriciate too
Yeah, dad snatched up all the plywood I lay down on so now I really get dirty when I need to work on something. I think he put it in the fire place. >:(
Home Depot has plenty of plywood. I1t
I guess I can hold off a little longer on the brakes. Home Depot is far.
Good news. Got the final approval tonight for the variance with some additional requirements. Got 3 prices for the garage and a contractor is coming tomorrow to look at my plans and give me a price. Maybe by this time next year I will be done.
Quote from: bugs2much on April 01, 2009, 09:03:01 PM
Maybe by this time next year I will be done.
BO** :icon_cheers: P#3 Nah, not this time next year...... You want it done by winter.
They can have a pole barn up by the end of next month.
Club garage build!!!
We could all be Amish for a day and do a barn raising. :icon_cheers:
jt
You should be done way before this time next year. Mine was stick built & they took thier good old time but it was still done in 6 months
Quote from: VWPANZER1 on April 01, 2009, 10:54:58 PM
We could all be Amish for a day and do a barn raising. :icon_cheers:
jt
I am not so sure we would "sound" amish but I am in!!!! p.s. Jack has a nail gun!!!
Garage Build Progress Day 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdms28K7RWM#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdms28K7RWM#ws)
Kinda of upset that he didn't tear up the ground, said he'll be back tomorrow pending the weather. >:(
:icon_cheers: :icon_cheers: P#3
Not to pee in anyone's cornflakes... Did you look up the meaning of the word "Progress" before you named this video? LAUGH@
Congrats! I'm so jealous.
I have to wait 'till after my daughter's wedding in June to, as the wife puts it, "See if we can still afford it"
-26@ (My favorite smiley!)
Actually seeing something happen is progress!! The bulldozer, though it only pushed out a stump, was a sign that something is happened. It's not just paper work anymore!!
Quote from: Bahaha on May 09, 2009, 07:27:44 AM
Congrats! I'm so jealous.
I have to wait 'till after my daughter's wedding in June to, as the wife puts it, "See if we can still afford it"
-26@ (My favorite smiley!)
Thanks Shawn, start planning now don't wait 20+ years like I did. @7@
WOO HOO garages are mans last domain, Enjoy it. Mine is ready for cable and phone! Bathroom someday too. Di I nhave to tell the twp?
Start collecting those old kitchen cabinets and plan out your work area. I now enjoy my garage in the winter and I could run AC at this point but I doubt I will ever get the fridge and bathroom!
The big day has finally arrived. Material delivered, holes drilled and posts ready to go in. All in 2 hours time. BO** Waiting for the inspector to show up now. s#r
Pictures, Jim sign1
THis is good news!! CONGRATS!!
True it is one of 2 of mans' domains in his house, - the other being one corner of the basement!
M
Here is the latest. Today the crew arrived at 8:00 am; set poles completed framing, set windows and doors, finished most of the trim, left at 4:00 pm. BO** Monday the roofing and siding go on. I'll try to get Greg to post some pics.
Jim,
you should be backing the cars in by Monday night! Great news!
Who's got wood?
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Didn't know you can drill holes in dirt? What happened to shovels?
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Finally Starting to look like something...
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Ok that's all for now, I don't want to get in trouble for posting too many pictures. @3# <---- Jack
Looking Good Jim!!! Your going to LOVE it. :icon_cheers:
JIM That thing is huge!! Looks like a 74 Vert could even fit in there LAUGH@ LAUGH@ LAUGH@ LAUGH@
WOW!
A mans castle is really his garage. @@@
jt
I think it's far enough along for me to come over and park 1 or 2 of my cars in there!
Looking good!
Matt
QuoteI think it's far enough along for me to come over and park 1 or 2 of my cars in there!
that thing is big!
So Jim tell me are you kicking Greg out and moving him in with the cars ?? @7@
I wouldn't mind. ;D I was already trying to figure out how to move into the garage attic. ;D No windows yet, that's a little depressing.
SUPER SPY PICTURE
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One thing I've learned about my father... you never tell him to take it easy. Rumor has it he was driving. So he might be able to drive to PBD. =-)
Well I have the garage now and today I really appreciated it. Around 4:00 pm we had lots of rain. I was working on the "Big Gulp"(Suburban) and was planning on doing some things to the VW. Had my tools out hoods open and really into it when I realized that I didn't have to put everything away and run for cover. Wow I was happy. After years of playing duck and cover with the weather I finally have a place to work when the weather is bad. Should have had a garage years ago.
And they say a man's HOME is his castle. Pffff THEY never had a garage. :icon_king:
congrats Jim. well deserved.
How about some photos to show off that bad boy?
WANT TO BUY A BUS TO PUT IN IT LAUGH@
"DANNY GLOVER"
QuoteShould have had a garage years ago.
That's what I said.
Congrats Jim :icon_cheers: :icon_cheers:, now you have somewhere to hide :icon_geek:!
Let me know when you have a garage warming party :cheers:
All sounds good guys, thanks . Yes it exists, I'll get Greg to post some pics. Sorry Bud-no room for a bus now. Yes, I think it is a castle. One side has a moat from the rain.
Time for the "Garage Warming" Party! I'll bring the brisket!
My mouth is watering Shawn :cheers: 88*88
I plan on putting up a new building this year. What company did you get your pole barn from?
conestoga out of new holland,pa. built my pole barn.
Quote from: 50split on January 31, 2010, 10:06:47 PM
conestoga out of new holland,pa. built my pole barn.
Mine also, they do great work.
BD Pole Barns www.bdpolebarns.com (http://www.bdpolebarns.com) from Hammonton. Very nice to work with and the owner of the company is on the job every day.
Thanks for the info, I spoke to Bob at BD yeaterday, he was very helpful. What size is your building?
30' x 40'. Bob is great to work with. He gets the permits and doesn't charge extra for the engineered drawings. Doesn't charge ridiculous amounts for extras either.
He gets the permits? Bud... tell him I'll be calling as well! BO**
That's been my big hold up
Got the Trees down, need a stump removed, and then I'll be getting started also. Maybe next year.
Quote from: Bahaha on February 04, 2010, 02:18:04 PM
He gets the permits? Bud... tell him I'll be calling as well! BO**
That's been my big hold up
Yes, he gets the permits but you have to pay for them.
Just waiting for him to get back to me with the price.
Quote from: Bahaha on February 04, 2010, 02:18:04 PM
He gets the permits? Bud... tell him I'll be calling as well! BO**
That's been my big hold up
When I had my garage built the contractor took care of all permits blueprints etc. also. I only had to speak to a township person one time who came to my house to make sure all my setbacks were good & he did that on his own, never saw the guy
Quote from: bugs2much on February 04, 2010, 03:30:32 PM
Yes, he gets the permits but you have to pay for them.
Of course
Hey Jim,
What is the advantage of going to a poll barn over a Garage??
I know you asked Jim, but I just happend to be here. WA#
Taxes. A pole barn doesn't have a "foundation" thereby skirting some property tax liability of more "permanent" structures
So does it just sit on a concrete pad?
Nope. 18" holes 3'deep. They drop 6x6's in and cement 'em. Bolt 2x4 horizontals every 2 feet, even on the roof and cover it in tin.
Very fast construction. Very strong
(http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/4671504/polebarn-main_Full.jpg)
I noticed the prices are better per sq foot than a reg garage , Yes? ???
Yes prices are much better and construction takes about 2-3 days.
Hi Jim,
Can I come take a look?
Maybe Shoot The bull?
Dave
Entrance FEE is one tool from Harbor Freight.
You are welcome any time Dave. I'm just west of Egg Harbor City. About 2 miles north of the White Horse Pike. Weekends or after work is good for me.
Gregg, I'll bring ONE Bunggee cord for you, c23 and a cup of coffee for your Dad c-e
LAUGH@ LAUGH@ LAUGH@
Just Kiddin, I'l get in touch after the snow...
Quote from: Daverted74SUN on February 05, 2010, 08:12:53 AM
I noticed the prices are better per sq foot than a reg garage , Yes? ???
Quote from: bugs2much on February 05, 2010, 08:44:36 AM
Yes prices are much better and construction takes about 2-3 days.
Keep in mind Dave, the pole barn goes together with an impact gun & lags. It's skinned with tin installed with sheet metal screws. A garage at the very least is framed & sheathed with OSB or plywood & sided. The inside has stud walls that can be insulated & finished. The pole barn doesn't have interior studs, so it's an expense to finish it.
Quote from: Beetleboi -Greg- on February 05, 2010, 01:38:53 PM
Entrance FEE is one tool from Harbor Freight.
I'll bring the one I got with a free coupon....
Quote from: bugs2much on February 05, 2010, 02:43:20 PM
You are welcome any time Dave. I'm just west of Egg Harbor City. About 2 miles north of the White Horse Pike. Weekends or after work is good for me.
You got a job?
Nope :icon_cheesygrin: :icon_cheesygrin: and don't want one
my pole barn(24x40) went up in one day. busicon2
not looking for a complete finished interior, just warm and dry.