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Title: Is this a huge problem
Post by: marcr1 on June 14, 2009, 11:07:58 AM
Hi All,

        i went to check my oil and found this,  below the fuel pump this piece is broken.
        She started fine and did not appear to be leaking anything.

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii137/sturosen5/engine.jpg)
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: Baha (Shawn) on June 14, 2009, 11:24:39 AM
No photo...
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: rockdog2877 on June 14, 2009, 11:25:44 AM
maybe thats the problem
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: marcr1 on June 14, 2009, 11:31:32 AM
thats why i love you guys ....the sarcasim runs wild    let me see why the picture did not attach.
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: lovebus (jack) on June 14, 2009, 11:35:17 AM
You can't post a photo from your desk top.

is this what your talking about?  (http://www2.cip1.com/v/vspfiles/photos/VWC-113-127-303-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: rockdog2877 on June 14, 2009, 11:42:28 AM
Quote from: marcr1 on June 14, 2009, 11:31:32 AM
thats why i love you guys ....the sarcasim runs wild    let me see why the picture did not attach.
" now, free with every post!"
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: marcr1 on June 14, 2009, 11:45:11 AM
the broken piece that broke ,is plastic and it sits about 3 inches below the fuel pump and is about a 1/2 inch thick. 


Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: Baha (Shawn) on June 14, 2009, 11:50:38 AM
OK Need input...
Year make model displacement.....
little more description... 3 inches below the fuel pump is the oil pump? but no plastic...
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: marcr1 on June 14, 2009, 11:57:23 AM
how about telling me how to attach a photo...i have done it before but i cant seem to get it done now.

thanks
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: marcr1 on June 14, 2009, 12:07:18 PM
ok boys i am out of time i will try again later to post  the picture the base of what i am looking at is very similar to the piece jack posted..   i can not tell you if the neck is on it.  I am guessing that the neck runs up to the fuel pump from inside the stand.

74 super
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: Baha (Shawn) on June 14, 2009, 12:19:54 PM
Quote from: marcr1 on June 14, 2009, 12:07:18 PM
ok boys i am out of time i will try again later to post  the picture the base of what i am looking at is very similar to the piece jack posted..   i can not tell you if the neck is on it.  I am guessing that the neck runs up to the fuel pump from inside the stand.

74 super

You have to post your photos to the web. A site like Picasa or PhotoBucket & then link to them in your posts.
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: lovebus (jack) on June 14, 2009, 12:55:13 PM
Right now I can't think os anything that is 3" below the pump unless your talking about the top of the pump then it would be what I posted.

If it is that and it's not leaking, leave it alone!! But I'll have to see a photo to be sure.
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: bugs2much on June 14, 2009, 12:55:37 PM
Quote from: LoveBus (jack) on June 14, 2009, 11:35:17 AM
You can't post a photo from your desk top.

is this what your talking about?  (http://www2.cip1.com/v/vspfiles/photos/VWC-113-127-303-1.jpg)

Did ya miss the reply from Jack. @7@  It's a 1/2" thick plastic flange that fits between the fuel pump and the engine case with a hollow shaft that enters the case. You will only see what looks like a 1/2'' spacer between the fuel pump and case when it's mounted on the engine. If you need a new one it's $5.00 and should be thinking about replacing the pump if you're not sure of it's age.
Sorry I couldn't think of anything sarcastic to say but the rest of the gang    (love worked    you over pretty good. :icon_cheesygrin:
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: bugs2much on June 14, 2009, 12:56:58 PM
ooooooooops now my reply looks out of sequence. @7@
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: bugs2much on June 14, 2009, 01:00:31 PM
Quote from: LoveBus (jack) on June 14, 2009, 12:55:13 PM
Right now I can't think os anything that is 3" below the pump unless your talking about the top of the pump then it would be what I posted.

If it is that and it's not leaking, leave it alone!! But I'll have to see a photo to be sure.
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WHAT HE SAID.        (I love that phrase)
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: 6T5 square on June 14, 2009, 01:01:44 PM
I had the plastic bottom of the "fuel pump riser" break on me also. It was in weezer. Since its 30 year old plastic, it "should" break up and eventually work its way down to your oil drain. You might want to dump your oil once or twice just to make sure you have it all. this happens alot more often than you think. When you go to replace the riser, really look down into the hole to make sure none of the pieces are still stuck in there otherwise you wont get the new one to sit all the way in. (The plastic after overheating and slightly melting over the past hundred years causes it to stick to the block.) BTW- when you put the new one in, be sure to measure the height of the pushrod before you install the fuel pump otherwise you'll be buying a new fuel pump as well.

I'm kinda parnoid, so I removed the motor, disassembled it, split the block and rebuilt the whole thing.
But then again, I'm paranoid.
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: lovebus (jack) on June 14, 2009, 01:05:22 PM
What he said  888 don't do it, theres a better way.
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: 6T5 square on June 14, 2009, 01:07:36 PM
If thers a better way than why dont you say it! m-d
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: marcr1 on June 14, 2009, 01:32:36 PM
alright guys the picture is up now,so take a look see.   i am pretty sure i have my answer at this point.


If any of you  ever find your way into east brunswick please come by my ice cream shop
and bring the sarcasim.
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: bugs2much on June 14, 2009, 02:40:43 PM
Yep I see it now. That's the flange and there is a gasket under it. If it ain't a leakin now it may become a problem in the future. Could have cracked down inside and may need to be looked at.  Had the lower part of  one of the dang things chewed up and spit out into my oil strainer. WOW,  what the hell was that I said???  So,  now we know what the problem is someone else can jump in and advise.
Anyway, ICE CREAM, we all like ICE CREAM. You're about  1 1/2 hrs from my house and 2 hrs from others in the club.  Do I see a cruise in the future, camping,sight seening BO** BO** BO** on the way to Flanders.
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: marcr1 on June 14, 2009, 03:00:40 PM
i met some of you guys last year at flanders.  now that i have my own business i do not think i will get there this year.

Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: 6T5 square on June 14, 2009, 04:00:45 PM
Yeah I would eventually replace it. If this piece cracked there may be other cracks in it. Just be careful removing it. Sometimes, like I said before, the bottoms can crack off.
As I said before, measure the pushrod when you put in the new flange.
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: lovebus (jack) on June 14, 2009, 04:56:56 PM
Quote from: marcr1 on June 14, 2009, 01:32:36 PM



If any of you  ever find your way into east brunswick please come by my ice cream shop
and bring the sarcasim.

s#r Maybe we can put it on our cruise list. :icon_blackeye:

We won't tell ya we are comming tho, that way you won't be able to change you price list 50% higher.  :icon_cheesygrin:

Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: lovebus (jack) on June 14, 2009, 05:16:10 PM
You have a 50/50 chance of getting it out if you use two thin screwdrivers and gently tap them under the flange and try to pry up under it. It may come out or it will brake off and leave the shaft pat in the block.

If it brakes off fill the hole where the push rod goes with grease then tap the part still in the block (I think 8mm) but I forget put an 8mm end on a slide hammer and screw in in then slap it out. The grease keeps the little pices's from falling into the block when tapping.. This don't always work every time.

If that don't work then you have to brake it up and let the pieces fall into the case but if a piece jams the cam you can do more damage, or take the engine apart like John did.

I would just snug the fuel pump nuts on the fuel pump and leave it alone. Thats SNUG if they feel tight don't do anything.
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: lovebus (jack) on June 14, 2009, 05:20:00 PM
I didn't see the photo at the top of the post.

Don't do anything to it!!
Title: Re: Is this a huge problem
Post by: bugs2much on June 14, 2009, 08:48:58 PM
Quote from: LoveBus (jack) on June 14, 2009, 04:56:56 PM
s#r Maybe we can put it on our cruise list. :icon_blackeye:

We won't tell ya we are comming tho, that way you won't be able to change you price list 50% higher.  :icon_cheesygrin:




sounds good to me  BO** BO** BO**