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Title: Bad Valve
Post by: 59VWSC on October 12, 2012, 08:02:18 PM
How would I know if I have a bad valve. Currently, my Single Cab runs terrible, has no low end power, bogs down at low rpm. Eventually, if I feather the gas pedal I will take off. Gets a little better when totally warm, but still not right.  Felt like a fuel problem, so I replaced the cheapest items, fuel filter and fuel pump. Made no difference. Motor's are not my strength for repairs. If it is a valve, is it better to buy a rebuilt long block? Please advise.
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: Veeboy on October 12, 2012, 10:06:50 PM
Do a compression check to see if you have low compression on only one cylinder.  Check plugs to see if you were running lean and check you valve clearance to see if any are running tight.  Don't know the history on your engine but don't see why you would replace entire engine for something on the top end.
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: 59VWSC on October 13, 2012, 07:12:22 AM
I did pull the #3 spark plug with the truck warmed up and running. Did not note any change in idle  after the plug was removed. Don't have a compression test gage.
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: Veeboy on October 13, 2012, 08:50:21 AM
A compression gauge is a good investment and can be found at most any autoparts store or online form Jegs or Summit racing. If you have a multimeter, it would be good to check the ignition wires to see if you have a bad one. If that ignition wire is good then you have serious problems in that cylinder and should avoid starting and running the car until it is looked at. This is assuming that everything is good at the distributor end.
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: 59VWSC on October 13, 2012, 04:19:06 PM
Veeboy!
Great advice on the compression gage. Went out and spent $50.00 for one and found out that compression was at 120 psi in all four cylinders. Probably saved me a fortune. Changed the plugs, wires, disrtibuter cap etc. Still runs lousy. No change at all. I do have a rebuilt carburator on the shelf, so I'll see if thats the problem as I have already repalced the fuel filter and fuel pump. Hopefully this will do it, if not back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: lovebus (jack) on October 13, 2012, 09:20:04 PM
what year is the engine?
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: 59VWSC on October 14, 2012, 07:34:23 AM
Its an AE case (71) dual port.
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: Veeboy on October 14, 2012, 08:42:50 AM
Distributor tight?  Points in good shape? Valves adjusted properly? Did anyone do work on the car prior to it running poorly?
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: lovebus (jack) on October 14, 2012, 08:47:15 AM
Spray some carb cleaner where the manifold bolts to the heads and around the rubber boots and see if there is a change in the RPM's to see if you have a air leak
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: VWPANZER1 on October 15, 2012, 08:46:41 PM
 Pull one wire at a time on the distributor and see if you can isolate it to a single cylinder or the entire bank, that will give you a clue.

  The "Idiot's guide to VW's" has a great sequence of tests to help isolate: not runiing , running badly and all the other ailments.
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: lovebus (jack) on October 17, 2012, 10:14:04 AM
Quote from: 59VWSC on October 12, 2012, 08:02:18 PM

runs terrible, has no low end power, bogs down at low rpm. Eventually, if I feather the gas pedal I will take off.

Running at idle (not in gear), quickly floor the gas pedal, does it bog??
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: 59VWSC on October 17, 2012, 08:26:56 PM
Yes it does. You have to keep "feathering" the gas pedal for it not to bog down.
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: lovebus (jack) on October 17, 2012, 08:35:39 PM
Your spray jet is clogged, simple fix but you must make sure it is put back in tightly.
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: 59VWSC on October 17, 2012, 09:07:47 PM
Sorry for another dumb question, where on the carb is it?
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: 59VWSC on October 17, 2012, 09:14:26 PM
Is it the main jet (adjacent to the Electromagnetic cutoff valve)?
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: ChoppedSq on October 18, 2012, 08:54:04 AM
Quote from: JackWagen   (jack) on October 17, 2012, 08:35:39 PM
Your spray jet is clogged, simple fix but you must make sure it is put back in tightly.

Is this here a Fuel Injeted motor, wears the spray jets / injetor?
  :confused04:;
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: lovebus (jack) on October 18, 2012, 12:04:44 PM
You have to take the top of the carb  and it looks like a U shaped brass tube on the right side, #22 in diagram below. Stick a fine wire in the small end and then  use carb cleaner to wash out any junk, do this from the small end to back flush it. If you live close I would show you how to do it. You don't have to remove the caarb to do  this.

Before you remove the spray jet fully open the throudle and you should see a strong spray of gas into the carb throat of the carb. If you see a STRONG spray the spray jet is ok, put the top back on. If no spray or very little proceed with cleaning the spray jet.

The spray must be re-installed tightly or it will end up in your engine, bad news...

(http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k416/6d4vdub/Forum%20Stuff/34carb_exploded_view.jpg)
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: 59VWSC on October 18, 2012, 07:58:17 PM
Thanks so much for your advice! I appreciate all the details you provided. I will give it a try this weekend. I'll let you know how I make out!
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: lovebus (jack) on October 19, 2012, 10:18:35 AM
Thats the most common cause it could also be a bad Vacuum advance.
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: matt on October 21, 2012, 08:25:44 PM


  IF not too late, as you are removing the carb from the car, disturb it little as possible, treat it like you are carrying a bomb.  Take off the top of the carb as Jack said, gently carefully remove the float.( don't loose that pin} carefully scrutinize through the gas, the bottom of the carb... see if there are any fines there. Sometimes they are so fine you cannot see them. Either way, and if you jostled the carb pour out the gas through a SINGLE sheet tissue letting the gas go into a waster container. Look at the tissue, if small fines were present you will see them on the tissue.  If fines are present, could indicate your gas tank has some rust developing, or the lines... if you see bigger pieces in there, that can be diagnosed.

  I should do another series of pics or vid of carb cleaning.....


  Matt
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: 59VWSC on October 21, 2012, 08:34:14 PM
I didn't get to the carb this weekend, darn family stuff keeps getting in the way. I will take all the carb related suggestions and give them a try, after all, nothing to lose! Thanks again!
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: matt on October 22, 2012, 06:58:51 AM
Quote from: 59VWSC on October 21, 2012, 08:34:14 PM


I didn't get to the carb this weekend, darn family stuff keeps getting in the way.





  Tell me about it, that and home projects and maintaining 4 cars........... &(rage_



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Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: 59VWSC on October 26, 2012, 07:31:15 PM
Took the carb apart and cleaned out the main jet as recommended above. That was the problem, runs and idles perfectly now!!! Thanks for all your help.
Title: Re: Bad Valve
Post by: kvbug (karen) on October 26, 2012, 10:03:02 PM
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