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VW Lounge => General Forum => Topic started by: lovebus (jack) on May 27, 2018, 12:22:19 pm
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Is it true that someone got a new Bus Camper??? Come on let us know.......... #blush
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Wasn't me! ^banana= ^banana= ^banana=
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It?s true! Got confirmation yesterday. Secret spy photo:
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soapbox= soapbox= soapbox= soapbox=
I know who originalsquealer was - is !!
- though they may try to deny whistll=- \pinocchio-
Yes, the truth is out, I got one... not sure why at this moment!
I have quite a bit of work to do... seems like I have been working on this from the ground up.
Still need to put in windows, tent screen, get the doors, strengthn up the frame.... etc...
But I think this baby cannot go out in the rain ?. ever! not at least with some good layers of paint...
see pic below
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It think it needs better tires too...?????..
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Yes, As usual, ? I am on a budget, as always, Katie is toooooo expensive!
So again was getting this as a ground up work and with al - wait! dinner time!
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Ok, so I am cheap... but this is what happens & what you get when you are cheap... and on a budget!
(I dont understand why my phone does not take better pictures.. I just upgraded significantly to a flip phone...!)
(https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1785602.jpg)
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Ok,
That is how it was shipped to me.
Once unboxed...
(https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1785625.jpg)
(https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1785619.jpg)
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The history of it is...
Bought by a couple in Colorado,
Took their family out in it a few times over the years.
As their kids grew older, the couple "sold" it to thier oldest son, who used it a few times every now and then.
( I think they rarely camped in it)
They had a favorite VW mechanic who did the work on it. The son asked if they could store it in his "garage" at his house. His "garage" could fit 2 colonial houses easily, maybe 4..maybe 5, floor area wise... was 2 stories at least.
It was stored there for many, many, many years, and the mechanic would take it out every now and then. Eventually the mechanic bought it, and he stored it along with at least 2 other buses, numerous bugs, and some nice antique cars from the 50's. He would take the bus out every now and then also.
The bus has only ~57,000 miles on it. The mechanic had & gave me copies of the original couple's and son's titles which reflect the mileage. It is pretty much mint except for some surface rust around the rear engine compartment and surface rust around door edges. The rest is solid. It had factory undercoating, which has pretty much mostly flaked off (Obviously they did not use high quality tar n-o ). Everything that I can tell is original - except the front seat coverings, the mechanic told me they were pretty much discolored so he changed them. Mechanic said the bus was stored most of its life. It even had the original label for the sink, still in the sink. Crazy
Because of age, the following was changed out.
All gas fuel lines ( done by the mechanic before he sent it to me.)
I did the following
Dent repair ( hired)
New (truck) tires
Kone shocks all around
New CV ( did'nt really need it, as it was a bad shock that was clunking)
Shimmed door bracket to stop it from making a bad noise when opening & closing)
Cleaned it! 40 years of Colorado dirt gets everywhere, and becomes like cement.
New fuel filler elbow - which caused the EVIL chain-reaction maintenance....
Had to pull the engine out to change the rubber elbow, which was a big pain for this year bus.
So while the engine is out.. what do you do?..
Changed the pressure plate ( WHAT the heck are those rivet pins??!) ,
change the clutch disc,
change the throw out bearing,
change out the EVIL needle bearing devil)- in the crankshaft. ( Had to modify a puller to get that out, and no, the ol' forcing the bearing out with oil did not work. Did not try bread, did not try caulk, did not try potatoes! I read it all. But got it out with that tool).
Change the rear main seal.. did you know there are 2 different depths of recesses for these engines? Did you know the main seals you buy may not have the correct depth? I live and learn.
Replace the O-ring seal in the flywheel, and hope it does not go "all Chinese on ya". If you get a graphite one, you do not grease it! If you do not get a graphite one, you "must" grease it.
Ok, I am in the death throes of trying to get the bus engine back in. Ted and I spent Sat 11 am to 8pm trying to get that in. we came across and caused a few problems along the way. At my wits end, called Michelle, who gave me Shawn's phone number. Even though we peppered Shawn with a lot of questions through numerous phone calls, he was very kind and more than patient with us & pointed us in a new direction of installing the engine, - by lowering the transmission. As both Ted an I had enough, we are planning on doing next Sunday, ..although now it sounds as if he may be too busy to help. This bus has sat in the garage for a month waiting to start again.
I am not a happy camper! No pun intended.
It is soo frustrating to spend that much time and really not get anything accomplished.. except for breaking the record in taking the longest time ever to put a bus engine in! cr\y cr\y cr\y bomb-
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bouncy- Your the one I was thinking of but I thought would not sday anything till you puloled into a campout with it, It looks nice, how does it riun? Need any help?
What is your first camping trip going to be, I want to be there. Wahoo&.
=LIKE awusome=
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All you had to do is ask and we would have been over to help!!!!
Sounds like a good buy and wish all the lucck with it.
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Congrats Matt... Took you long enough to come out of the freaken Closet..
I Know Nutten... asttound
Other then allot... But ain't giving it up.. -rofl\ 8rofl=
Now you need to join our Camping Club SJVWCC on FB for all our Camping updates..
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Thanks! But I have to get the engine in first! That is my ordeal.
I would have asked, but I know it is a far travel for y'all, and was thinking I would be able to do it... how different is it from installing a bug engine - right? Well, more to it than I found out!!
I may try to install it myself today, I have the day off.
I will accept help at any time, even taking the day off from work to get this beast in - OK, so I am asking...! =whiteflag
Compression test was perfect, & It ran great - when the engine was in it!
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Update:
OK, this morning I removed the upper tranny bolts, and the coupler is detached.
The transmission only came down ~ 1 inch. It will not go down any further.
Tried putting the engine in with Katie's help
Once again was able to get the lower engine studs in the trans, but could not align the trans post to the clutch plate. Katie's little fingers could reach through the pressure plate and feel the clutch plate and found the trans post was hitting the top of the clutch plate opening.
seeming here...
(https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1785831.jpg)
Could not tilt the engine enough - maybe due to strength and or interference of engine stuff to align the post.
Not sure why the tranny did not drop more. It can support itself in fact. IF it could drop more, I could lower the engine a bit which I think would help. OR maybe in the case if we jacked up the tranny a half inch... Hey, I'm new at this.
Katie went to work until 6 and is eager to get back to work on the engine, but I think we are at a stand still. (no pun intended) Maybe if we work it some more........, who knows.
Tops of the heat exchangers really get in the way...
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Matt if you are attempting to tilt the trans downwards and mate the engine to it on an angle..
Please remove the shift linkage from the trans 1st.. Because the shift linkage rod can and will bend if too much stress is put onto it..
You can leave the axles attached but linkage should be slip off to be safe..
Over the years I've seen many VW's that had troubles getting the gears only to realize that the linkage was bent from some prior removal / install.
As for trying to get the splines mated / engaged. The slightest off angle will cause it to bind.
The proper way to install the engine is raise it to height level " a motorcycle jack works great" to keep the engine on a sure footing and push the engine into the trans... You may have to jiggle or turn the crank slightly to find the spline engagement.. But once you do it will slip right in and easily be able to be pulled into place with the mounting studs..
Note if your attempting to jack the engine into place with a simple floor jack your fighting yourself.. It can be done with perhaps you and your brother but dangerous and tricky with Kate..
Best of Luck you can do it.. It's just a larger bulkier Type1 engine your dealing with then trying to install into a easy peazy Bug..
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Thanks Jay,
I did undo the linkage as Shawn suggested, so that is ok.
Trying to get it to height level is the issue, between interference with the tops of the heat exchangers and the oil tube, Ted and I in our 9 hour ordeal could not get it level.
I have the engine on a board, on a floor jack. The board is pretty big, covering most of the engine base. On the thesamba I read people have used both, some just a floor jack ( no board), some with an ATV lift as you mentioned. I bought such a lift, but returned it. again, I just can't get the engine level because of interference.
At 2 different times once with Ted, once with Katie were able to get the lower studs in, but that was it. Could not get the engine any higher to make level.
Jack called and suggested to re-align the clutch plate as it being slightly off can be troublesome. I did check it with one of those plastic alignment tools with the splines, and it was hard to get in one way, but if I pulled the plastic tool out and turned it a bit it would then go in easy. So none-the less Katie and I pulled the engine out. First though we had to bolt the tranny up, as the bus had to be jacked up to get the engine out.
So with the engine lowered complety, and it being rock solid stationary on the board, Katie insisted on being the one to bolt the tranny back in. ( and I it is safe, I made sure)
The board is ~ 1 inch thick large plywood plank. No one is under the car when the engine is being put in ( except maybe me to look at things. I am very careful to keep her safe, she is a precious treasure to me.
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Yes, here in this pic you can see a flywheel lock, I tried to loosen up the plate bolts to align the plate with the engine in the compartment area, but was too much of a prob due to space, and realized no way I could get a torque wrench on some bolts later . So decided to pull the engine out from under the bus. Here the engine has been let down all the way & solid, before Katie got under to put the trans bolts back in
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Instead of the plastic alignment tool, this time I wanted to use my metal alignment tool, - This tool though does not have splines
- I used many times for bugs, and never had a prob.
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We finished the above about 9:30 pm, and she wanted to continue to put the engine back under & try to get it in. I called it quits, having to get to work in the morning. She has time Friday, so the plan is from Friday ~ 3:30 till whenever.
Thanks so much Jay for your comments, always appreciated!!
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Also just to mention, the board is bolted to the jack with a very large bolt; so the board cant move / slip at all
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you got a great kid there, Mr. Matt
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girlPower
My concern is the alignment tool. It doesn?t need to have splines. I have a 35 year old, store bought tool that is made from wood. But, it must go into the pilot bushing and be rigid when it?s in. The slightest movement and you?ll encounter the problems you?re seeing. The plastic tools that come in the clutch kits work well.
Tip for the new bus owner: your beetle stands do not work for a bus. Time for HF 6 ton stands with 24 in. of lift (or bigger)
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Thanks John, I do & she is. Although she is more of a slave driver to get the engine in than I thought. devil)-
Shawn, thanks, - the alignment tool is absolutely in the pilot bushing, that was paid very strict attention to, and is tight; no moving around at all. during install I have not yet come close with the trans drive shaft to begin to go into the clutch plate, last time the drive shaft was high. I will raise the bus up a bit, drop the trans again and see if that helps with giving me some room. Today/tonight should be working on it, and if not in, Ted said woefully, he will come over Sat to help.
Check on the stands. That little stand was just to help balance the engine earlier when it was pulled out from under the bus during pressure plate install. I have bigger stands.. appreciate the double check & good eye. Will go & see the HF ones you mentioned. Most beefed stands I have are for trucks, use them when i work on my wife's (then) and Katie's jeep. The front of those things are real heavy
thanks for any good pointers!
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She's a beauty. What did Katie name her new bus??? whistll=- tongue\ -rofl\
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Well, ................ His name is Mr. Winslow,
(https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1786806.jpg)
Katie calls him Gus.
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Well, I can't express how frustrating it has been to spend over 12 hours to get the engine in Mr. Winslow.( This has been working with Ted and Katie...)
He has been sitting in my garage for a month, as I did odds and ends to him, but the engine install for me was the killer.
The problems with the engine install began to eat at me, beingon my mind most of the day every day, and keeping me up at night...
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OK, I should have called the club earlier, but I thought I could do it, I've done bug engines many times.. so how can this be different... it is. I know everyone lives far, so I tried to do the engine myself.
Nope, - so I put up the white flag =whiteflag for the big guns to come to help. Unfortunately, Friday, I missed an opportunity for Shawn, Jay and Jack to come over, as I had to work. (Like missing the lottery by a fraction) cr\y cr\y However, Sat, Jack told me he and Jay were coming over to do the work ^banana= ^banana= I called Ted for extra help. All made it to my house very early in the morning.
I tell you, if you ever see this....
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It may be a tornado, but it also could be Jay doing work on your vehicle! Man, that guy plows through the work! Amazing to watch him!! Engine was put under the bus, installed and bolted in, in no time! I was absolutely shocked. astounding! Ted and I were like...
What just happened??!
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Of course, Jack oversaw everything, surprisingly he came without a bull horn. Great to see him again.!
As they left, I texted Katie (She was working as she should be) to let her know. She told me she wanted to help finish everything idea\ , so we will be doing that this week. dance$#
Thank you so much Jay for the amazing, quick work!, I am honored! I learned a lot from you in the short amount of time you were here. Thanks for Jack for getting people lined up, and again Thanks Shawn tolerating all my questions for the earlier advice in doing the work.
Once again this club shows how much it really comes through for people.... I can't express how much I appreciate the help.
Now I can sleep - and will soon be skid))
And I should thank Ted bigtime, although 9 straight hours of hard work to get the engine in, with a fail n-o .... still learned a lot - what not to do. All I can say is Heat Exchanger Tops! Thanks Ted!!!
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Great news! SJVWC to the rescue! Wahoo& Wine* !hug What a labor of love..
Soon you'll be able to start enjoying it and going camping! Oh, and sleep is highly overrated.... tongue\ haha
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Been thinking about it.....I have a few things in mind...
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Jay indeed is a master. I'm quite sure that he and Matt worked something out between themselves..
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J never said as thing about being paid he's just a nice guy that likes to help +hug
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J never said as thing about being paid he's just a nice guy that likes to help +hug
Yeah...How does CELLY know that MATT didn't have anything in the works for a THANK YOU???
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Ok, here is the update...
Tag-teaming heater tubes, exchangers, clutch cable
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And finishing up hookups
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The positive terminal on the battery was the last thing connected
OK, pushed it out of the garage, and started it up.
Ran rough for a while, seemed to smooth out, but not as good as it should be.
At the time, did not see any unconnected hoses.
Took if for a drive down the road, clutch was not adjusted well, very near floor could barely shift.
When I got out of gear, heard metallic sound, when pushed in clutch, went away. 7&&
Coming back home, battery and EGR light came on.
Let engine cool down, got under and adjusted clutch cable as far as can go, by finger push, made a diff.
Looked in the engine compartment and found a small hose not connected.
I am not sure if it goes to this ( whatever it is)
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and maybe here...
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seems like there are 2 hoses going here (besides the one on the top)
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One of these hoses goes to the fuel regulator, on the bottom right of the engine compartment.... this may be the issue with the poor idle.
BATTERY CHARGE LIGHT
I checked all of the lines to the voltage regulator and they tested fine. All I did to the alternator was to remove the belt via the one hex bolt under the little cover, and then put it back on. It did take a lot of prying to move the alternator even with the one hex bolt loose. The other bolt where some manuals say to loosen ( sort of like at 5 o'clock) looks like the top of a stove bolt - there is nothing to grab. I am not sure if some wires around the alternator were damaged when I R&R the belt (?!) I did not yet verify by voltage if I am really getting a higher voltage at the battery when the car is running vs not.
And something very strange here... this is wired in, seems like factory. I am not sure if the switch was ever moved during the R&R of the engine, and if it should be on hi or low. This is located above the hookup of the computer.
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So this is where I am, but now have to cook for the picnic tomorrow...
Brought it home
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Seems like the switch is an altitude switch? should be on low, believing it has any impact.
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Ok, some progress...
Found a disconnected vacuum hose which tees off the fuel regulator. Few days ago, Katie and I looked around for quite a while, could not find it. I found it the next day. hooked it up. No real improvment in bus dying out. The longer the bus would sit without starting, the longer it would run. The more I started it, the faster it would die. So strange.
Today, I connected the little hose between the EGR/Altitude and Decel in the picture I was wondering where the hose goes to. Started it, and it gave a little stumble. I was pissed, so I high reved it a few times, after that, no problems.
Now what is left...
Alternator light on, voltage to battery showed no increase in voltage with high rev.s always read 12V, so I think that confirms no charging going on. Why, no idea, it was fine before pulling the engine. I did however R&R the belt a few times while the engine was out, so maybe prying the alternator up and down messed with some wires. Have to see how to get to those to check it.
Metal noise. This is really not good. When in gear i hear a light metallic noise from the rear. Suddenly stops when I push in the clutch. Low rpm little or no sound. Later I will get a recording of that and put it on youtube for diagnosis.
EGR light on. I can live with that, .. but why on after the R&R of the engine? so weird.
. I am learning a lot, but I dont like learning this way...
....Until next time.
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Update
Looked at my current wiring layout..
Here is Ratwells voltage reg check
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From my blue wire I have a black wire connected to it.
Found with the key on I get a voltage reading at the D+ plug ( blue/red) of less than 1 volt. If I disconnect the black wire I get 12 volts
This black wire ( which can be disconnected) goes from the plug into a sheath toward the battery then up, up across the hatch and down the inside of the left hatch to a battery aux relay.
( In this same sheath, also noticed a red wire going from the NEG battery post to the same relay)
my wire situation.
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I just dont get why I would be getting my alt light on (and EGR) - the only thing I did to the alternator was to move it to remove and install the belt so as to check for endplay when engine was out
Comparing to this schematic ( as it should be)
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I see big discrepancy in that I have a black wire going from my neg pos on main battery, should be off the postive. PO made this setup.
OK this is what I did...
I disconnected the red wire; one end from terminal #30 and other end from the negative post of main battery. I confirmed this wire is not connected to anything else and is continuous.
Coming from the same sheath, I disconnected the black wire ; one end from terminal 86, the other from the joining the blue wire near voltage reg. confirmed this wire is not connected to anything else and is continuous.
I hooked up both ends of the black wire.
I hooked up one end of the red wire to #30, the other end was to my voltmeter.
With the ignition off, volts = 0
With ignition on(engine not starting) volts = 0.02
With ignition on, Alt and EGR light on.
I started the engine Both Alternator and EGR light went off! ^banana=
My main battery was charging at 13.5V 1st time since the engine went back in!
Not sure why this should make a difference as this is how the bus was wired when i got it, and all was fine 4thinking6
Now testing the aux battery relay, with my voltmeter being connected to red wire going to terminal 30 showed an initial voltage of 0.2 but was climbing. after 10 minutes it was over 1 volt. Weird.
I was sure that my aux battery was not receiving a charge, but just to be sure no craziness was going on, I tested it - showed 12.5V
However, as #30 terminal was connected to the negative on my mainbattery terminal then the relay is probably toast -
I did this test...
(a) disconnect both the 87 and 86 wires from the relay. - should see 12 volts on the relay terminal 30 from the main battery and 12 volts on the disconnected 87 wire from the aux battery.
(b) connect relay terminal 86 to 12 volts. The relay should click in, and should be able to measure 12 volts on the 87 terminal.
(c) if both of these connections are true, reconnect the original wires to the relay, and all should be well. The aux battery should charge.
My relay failed at step B, - so I ordered another one.
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The apparent engine noise coming from the tranny area turned out to be a loose top on the heat exchanger which start to vibrate with increasing rpms. That was tightened, and seems good now bouncy-
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No more gas leaking at my feet when I fill up the tank. dance$#
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The only thing now is it conks out when I start it, I have to re-start, keep my foot on the "gas" for about 10 seconds, then it keeps going, but has to be warmed up to run well. Timing seems to be fine.
Also I think... it is harder to get it into 1st and 2nd... in that the positions seem to be farther to the left... all the way to the left.
But this is so much better!.. things are looking better s=un
Matt
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Matt, Your like a dog with a bone. Never letting go. Keep at it buddy, you"l get it.
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It's a Beautiful Bus..
I'm sure oneday Matt will let everyone see it.. LoL bouncy-